Talent, Coaching and Chemistry
posted by Scott Engler
(The Rock Report) - Talent
At this point, nothing matters but performance. But as the chart on the left shows, Notre Dame will emerge this year from the upper level talent dearth that is finally working its way out of the system in 2009.
This chart, based on WTF68's analysis, is an updated analysis of our talent weighted by the seniority of the class. The method used was a star rating by scout multiplied by a "seniority factor" a percentage weight applied to the star rating based on the seniority of the player. So a 5-star like Clausen would only be worth 3.5 stars his sophomore year, but over 4 stars his junior year and 5-stars his senior year. The idea behind the madness is to weight the star rating (which is really potential) by maturity and development, which varies by position. Offensive Linemen, Defensive Linemen and Quarterbacks usually take the longest to develop, so their "seniority factor" is lower than the norm. The "seniority factors" are in the table below.
It's pretty similar to the method I've used before, except that analysis focused just on impact players by class. The stories are remarkably similar. (And when others use this methodology, just remember who brought it to you first.)
Essentially this method adjusts for how old a player is. For example, Trevor Laws didn't really excel until his 5th year, so even a highly regarded recruit like Laws, like most players, takes at least three years to reach his potential. These kids are literally still growing and filling out. As promising as, say, Rudolph is (and he still is skinny,) he was still a liability blocking for most of the season.
Some commentary from WTF68:
You've seen this argument before, the bottom line is that there's no talent excuse to be had in 2009 and we'll have "USC level" talent in 2010.
That orange line? That's Urban Meyer's Florida team from last year. The red line? That's USC from last year. Clearly the bar is high, but as Urban showed, good coaching can dramatically improve the raw material and make it "mature" faster.
That's where the coaching part of the equation comes in.
Coaching
And the last two years have been a coaching disaster. We hung on to Oliver and Latina a year too long and ND has paid the price for that. Mike Haywood wasn't someone who meshed with the rest of the staff either and he certainly had no business being an Offensive Coordinator or calling the plays at ND. That said, very happy he found a great job to move on to.
By adding Verducci, Hart, and Young and subtracting Latina and Oliver, Notre Dame should see an immediate payoff in 2009. If those lines can even improve 20%, there's no reason ND won't be BCS bowling in 2009. Frankly, if we're not, Weis should go.
You'll know if the coaching has improved when you see average or forgotten players start to make an impact. One thing I've noticed over time is that when a good coach comes in the middle rises. Take a look at USC and Florida's rosters and you'll notice they have a lot of five-stars, but also a lot of no-names (see Clay Mathews) that dot the roster. I would expect to see players like John Ryan, Mo Richardson and Scott Smith contribute significantly. Not necessarily those specific guys, but players who are in their positions.
Chemistry
You hear this word all of the time, but what does it mean? It means that players and coaches are aligned in their goals (they believe they're on the same team,) they trust each other, they have skin in the game and they believe they can win. From what I've heard, ND pretty much struck out on all of these the last three years. Another framework that's pretty popular in the corporate world is the Five Dysfunctions of Team, which are:
Now that Weis supposedly has a group of coaches that are on the same page, he should better be able to replicate the give and take in the coaching offices that he experienced at New England.
If the coaching was really that dysfunctional, no surprise the the players were rumored to be as well. There was a dearth of leadership in the upper classes (this year will be the first year that no Willingham signees are on the team.) Of course, that's not an excuse either as Carroll and Meyer were able to bridge this gap quickly at USC and Florida.
Summary
There's reason to believe that the Talent, the Coaching and the Chemistry will all be improved in 2009 and so there's reason to hope and possibly believe. Weis has shown he's capable of learning, but this year will be his biggest challenge.
The believer in me looks at all of these improvements and thinks, we have to improve to a BCS caliber team given all of the factors that have changed. The skeptic in me thinks that, as omahadomer says, you pretty much are what you are by your fourth year and that if Weis is still learning on the job, we'll probably discover three more things he has to learn after this year.
The skeptic in me right now outweighs the believer, but the believer is a hell of a lot more fun in the meantime.
I choose to believe.
Until the season gives me a reason not to.
At this point, nothing matters but performance. But as the chart on the left shows, Notre Dame will emerge this year from the upper level talent dearth that is finally working its way out of the system in 2009.
This chart, based on WTF68's analysis, is an updated analysis of our talent weighted by the seniority of the class. The method used was a star rating by scout multiplied by a "seniority factor" a percentage weight applied to the star rating based on the seniority of the player. So a 5-star like Clausen would only be worth 3.5 stars his sophomore year, but over 4 stars his junior year and 5-stars his senior year. The idea behind the madness is to weight the star rating (which is really potential) by maturity and development, which varies by position. Offensive Linemen, Defensive Linemen and Quarterbacks usually take the longest to develop, so their "seniority factor" is lower than the norm. The "seniority factors" are in the table below.
5th | Sr | Jr | So | Fr | |
OL | 100% | 100% | 90% | 70% | 50% |
DL | 100% | 100% | 95% | 75% | 55% |
QB | 100% | 100% | 95% | 70% | 50% |
All else | 100% | 100% | 100% | 85% | 60% |
It's pretty similar to the method I've used before, except that analysis focused just on impact players by class. The stories are remarkably similar. (And when others use this methodology, just remember who brought it to you first.)
Essentially this method adjusts for how old a player is. For example, Trevor Laws didn't really excel until his 5th year, so even a highly regarded recruit like Laws, like most players, takes at least three years to reach his potential. These kids are literally still growing and filling out. As promising as, say, Rudolph is (and he still is skinny,) he was still a liability blocking for most of the season.
Some commentary from WTF68:
- I do not offer this model as an excuse for our poor play in 2007 and 2008. However, I do think it helps to argue that lack of experienced talent played a part in our struggles. No excuse in 2009, and certainly none in 2010.I was talking to an ex ND player the other night and he was complaining that we have all of these 5-star recruits, but they weren't playing like it. Now part of that is coaching, but a lot of it is age. Our best recruits were sophomores and freshmen last year. In fact, every skill player on offense, Allen, Clausen, Floyd, Tate and Rudolph was a sophomore or younger. I liked BGS's talent analysis, but what was missing, IMO, was the age factor. You have to account for teams that have maturing talent, like Penn State in 2008. Their talented recruiting classes came to a head last year. The same was true of Notre Dame in 2005, as Quinn's talented class finally matured.
- We'll be stacked in 2010. We really should contend for the national championship.
- On this basis, Urban Meyer did a hell of a job at Florida in 08. Their
experienced talent was good (roughly equal to ND in 2005), but not great.
- If anything, I think the percentages probably understate the value of
having a bunch of tough, smart, seniors and 5th year guys on the field.
You've seen this argument before, the bottom line is that there's no talent excuse to be had in 2009 and we'll have "USC level" talent in 2010.
That orange line? That's Urban Meyer's Florida team from last year. The red line? That's USC from last year. Clearly the bar is high, but as Urban showed, good coaching can dramatically improve the raw material and make it "mature" faster.
That's where the coaching part of the equation comes in.
Coaching
And the last two years have been a coaching disaster. We hung on to Oliver and Latina a year too long and ND has paid the price for that. Mike Haywood wasn't someone who meshed with the rest of the staff either and he certainly had no business being an Offensive Coordinator or calling the plays at ND. That said, very happy he found a great job to move on to.
By adding Verducci, Hart, and Young and subtracting Latina and Oliver, Notre Dame should see an immediate payoff in 2009. If those lines can even improve 20%, there's no reason ND won't be BCS bowling in 2009. Frankly, if we're not, Weis should go.
You'll know if the coaching has improved when you see average or forgotten players start to make an impact. One thing I've noticed over time is that when a good coach comes in the middle rises. Take a look at USC and Florida's rosters and you'll notice they have a lot of five-stars, but also a lot of no-names (see Clay Mathews) that dot the roster. I would expect to see players like John Ryan, Mo Richardson and Scott Smith contribute significantly. Not necessarily those specific guys, but players who are in their positions.
Chemistry
You hear this word all of the time, but what does it mean? It means that players and coaches are aligned in their goals (they believe they're on the same team,) they trust each other, they have skin in the game and they believe they can win. From what I've heard, ND pretty much struck out on all of these the last three years. Another framework that's pretty popular in the corporate world is the Five Dysfunctions of Team, which are:
1. Absence of trust among team members.Some say those five describe the ND administration on the whole, but that's another article...
2. Fear of conflict.
3. Lack of commitment.
4. Avoidance of accountability.
5. Inattention to results.
Now that Weis supposedly has a group of coaches that are on the same page, he should better be able to replicate the give and take in the coaching offices that he experienced at New England.
If the coaching was really that dysfunctional, no surprise the the players were rumored to be as well. There was a dearth of leadership in the upper classes (this year will be the first year that no Willingham signees are on the team.) Of course, that's not an excuse either as Carroll and Meyer were able to bridge this gap quickly at USC and Florida.
Summary
There's reason to believe that the Talent, the Coaching and the Chemistry will all be improved in 2009 and so there's reason to hope and possibly believe. Weis has shown he's capable of learning, but this year will be his biggest challenge.
The believer in me looks at all of these improvements and thinks, we have to improve to a BCS caliber team given all of the factors that have changed. The skeptic in me thinks that, as omahadomer says, you pretty much are what you are by your fourth year and that if Weis is still learning on the job, we'll probably discover three more things he has to learn after this year.
The skeptic in me right now outweighs the believer, but the believer is a hell of a lot more fun in the meantime.
I choose to believe.
Until the season gives me a reason not to.
Labels: charlie weis, college football, notre dame football, talent
8 Comments:
Point well made. Thank you for your analysis.
I don't know if I've missed it, but has Weis used a rallying cry this year? . . . tradition never graduates, etc.
It never struck me as something a head coach would do, but I could see a Communications major needing a tag-line for each year.
Was the weighting done by playing time or the roster?
I'm surprised that an ex-ND player would comment about the 5-star recruits not producing. You would have thought that he understands that even 5-star players need time to mature when there's lack of leadership from the upperclassmen.
That is what frosts me the most about some ND "fans". CW comes in and takes over a consensus moribund (state of dying) team, installs COMPLETELY new, foreign, drastically different systems ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL and, in my non-ND educated mind, produces wonders. How? SENIOR LEADERSHIP that wanted to win before they left SB, IN.
You need senior good to great leadership/bodies who beat up, lead even more talented youngsters EVERY DAY in camp. Beginning in 2006 ALL OUR TALENT in LB positions left. In 2007 the blocking sled offered Sam Young more challenge than 80% of our remaining DLine talent. PLAYERS DEVELOP PLAYERS. Ask Michael Irvin, ask Jimmy Johnson, ask Lou Holtz.
The three recruiting classes signed 2003-05 gutted the ability of any coach (who cannot load JC transfers into the system) to build a sustaining winning team beginning in 2005. Hell Pete Carroll said as much himself and he frickin hates ND and everything she stands for.
Swarbrick knows what he's doing unlike others no longer involved at ND.
You need players to develop players. We now have them to build something with.
GFN,
Senior leadership is important. At the same time there is no reason for last years season. Coaching could (should) have kept the team focused after the NC loss. Then you go to USC with only 2 losses with your heads up.
I am with GFN with regards to the team and especially Weis. It blows my mind that so many people on this site are willing to tear apart the coaches and the players. Especially players. My bet is not more than 10% of the posters on this site played football at the college level, yet will call out players for their performance.
ND had a huge hole in talent. Everyone knew this. Yet, the expectation here was to take a sophmore QB and have him run a team of freshmen and sophmores to a nine win season. If memory serves, ND lost to one team not ranked in the top 25 during the course of the season.
And I can sit here like all of the other college coaching experts on this site and point out about the shortcomings of the offensive line, Weis, etc etc. But instead I will wait to give Weis a fair shake. One bad season is not enough to throw him out.
Which brings up my final point. Weis took the head coaching job when nobody else wanted it. You can't win without players. He saw it and has done arguably the best job in the hardest of conditions when it comes to recruiting. Correct me when I am wrong, but wasnt his first recruiting trip to see Clausen when he was still a junior in high school? He knew he needed talent and went out and got it done. Urban Meyer won't leave Florida. I laugh when you all suggest ND can just go get a more seasoned college coach with a solid winning history and lure him away to that paradise known as South Bend. Foolish minds to say the least. I say Urban Meyer doesn't deserve the job. He turned it down when ND needed him to step up. Now, with an actual roster of talented players some want to turn over the job to him. Screw him. Let him stay in Florida and give Weis a chance to play him some day. Weis deserves the chance. He (and the players for that matter)has put up with a lot of crap. I wish him and the team nothing but the best for 2009. So should all of you "fans".
Great points. I really like what you did with the numbers analysis. Weighting the classes definitely takes it a few steps further than I did and gives it more fidelity. I couldn't agree more with your conclusions. Here's a link to my take if you are interested.
OFD 2009 Talent Analysis
Graph makes a lot of sense. Those that want Weis out if he doesn't run the table or atleast win 10 or 11 games don't understand how bad the talent was when he took over. People say look at Urban Meyer. Well he was left with a talented group and recruiting for UF in Florida is easier than recruiting for South Bend in Florida. Charlie has done a a tremendous job in bringing in quality players. Seniors and 5th years seniors make a big difference. His new offensive line coach should pay huge dividends. I think Charlie shold get two more years to prove if he should be the Irish coach.
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