their fans were awful - throwing things, yelling, threatening.

Yeah - not a very fun and mellow group. The S. Cal vs. No. Cal hate is fueled almost entirely by No. Cal. People in LA and SD don't really care - but SF folks despise LA.

I lived in LA for eight years before moving to SF a year ago and have experienced both elements on countless occasions.

-- the LA contingent makes SF's bad apples look like choir boys, and they live and die with the Dodgers.

I personally got knocked the F out by some vatos in East Hollywood for wearing a Cards t-shirt following a game, and it was completely unprovoked, other than the fact Saint Louis won the game.

the fans that aren't texting all game that is.

I guess it just depends on the day.

Single most fights I've seen at any MLB game - and I've attended about 400 - was a Friday night game at Candlestick -- Giants vs. Dodgers.

but you didn't say Candlestick, you said the new stadium.

Dodger fans wouldn't go to games at the Stick. They go to the new place with little fear and are at their vato loco "best."

but security asked our small group of Angels fans to wait in the suites area until the stadium cleared out since they were having so many issues -- once we got on the street it was worse - but no fights at least.

I went a few years ago and our group had Giants fans throwing up gang signs and trying to steal the hats of the few Dodgers fans with us (most of us were Giants fans).

To be clear, the Dodgers definitely have the problem too. So do the Padres for that matter.

are pretty laid back.

As to the LA stuff, you are just completely full of shit. I went to a Dodgers-Giants game in SF in 07 and the vatos locos were in full effect, throwing and yelling shit all game long.

Oh, and there was that whole "attack" after the season opener in '11 as well. That was at Chavez Ravine.

knows there's plenty of aggression in the City by the Bay.

Panhandlers in San Francisco don't ask for money, they demand it.

When I took my family to San Francisco in '89 for the ND/Stanford game, we stayed at the Marriott at Union Square.

My daughter, who was 6 at the time asked about the panhandlers. Somehow the word "bums" got into the conversation and for the rest of the weekend, whenever she saw some panhandlers coming up to us as we traversed Union Square, she said, "Here come a bump." or "Daddy, look, some bumps."

The worst and most aggressive panhandlers I've ever encountered were on Telegraph Avenue in Berkeley in '69 when I went there to visit a high school classmate who was going to Berkeley.

The Black Power thugs from Oakland would hang out at the intersections and would shove their palm into your gut and say "Spare CHANGE, MAN?"

Students took to crossing the street to avoid them.

The Berkeley Police Department was worthless back then. They wouldn't do anything to prevent this stuff.

True story: several months ago a bum literally ran up to my car, kicked the door while dropping the n-bomb along with a myriad of other obscenities, and then SPIT on me through my open sunroof for no reason at the corner of Ashby and Adeline.

Last week I posted that I volunteered at the local homeless shelter and had to help break up a fight between a homeless woman and a member of the staff.

The homeless lady was given "seconds" accidentally by a volunteer and a staff lady who must know this person tried to take her plate away.

Very sad.

This person who accosted you - any idea why he did this to you other than racial prejudice?

When I told one guy "no", he proceeded to follow me and yell at me. I wanted to kick him in the nuts.

With the down years before Harbaugh and season tickets being easier to buy the wine and cheese crowd wasn't attending games. As a result, they've quite a number of incidents at Candlestick in the last two years.

Plus with the Raiders sucking, many of their fans have switched over.

The wine and cheese crowd will get their own stadium.

Techgeeking to football.

Despite the gentrification/hipster thing, it's still the Latino neighborhood of SF and still occasionally plagued by gang violence. The police department is absolutely right to discourage a party like this, especially in the Mission; fans from Baltimore can relate, I'm sure. Go have your party in Marin County-- or better yet, Baltimore.

where they could have that party. Sunset? No. Richmond? No.

Now, if they want to drive over to Marin like you suggest? Yeah, probably.

FiDi, Hayes Valley... hell even Tendernob and Mid Market in between Turk and Howard would be fair game for that kind of party. And of course, who could forget the Castro.

SF has been inundated with tech geeks from all over the world in recent years. The only areas I'd be fearing for my life cheering for the opposition after a critical game like that would be Bayview/Hunter's Point, the projects that run north of Civic Center, and Mission south of Valencia.

although the Marina is certainly a nicer area.

is a drunk Sean Penn.

I love my city, but very true.

No problems whatsoever, but then again the Ravens did win

Underneath the touchy feeley/tech veneer is a pretty hardened blue collar underbelly. Almost New Yorkish.

One of many underbellies.

The latter being more disturbing

the outlying suburbs where all the white flight happened is soft, but the city (and south SF as well) are pretty blue collar/working class.

Also, there's some Section 8 housing near the Wharf and even in Marin.

blue collar, at least my use of the term. It seems like SF proper has extremes without much in the middle. Are the blue collar areas out in the avenues?

certain pockets of areas by CCSF, etc.

Lots of places.

though I suspect that's dying slowly