What ND coaches faced USC and Michigan
by FourLeafDomer (2014-12-27 20:38:16)
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  In reply to: Yes, but that's hardly saying much  posted by ShermanOaksND



while they were both in their prime? We can rule out Holtz and Parseghian.


In the first 5 years of Holtz Mich/SC finished in the final
by Carlos Huerta  (2014-12-28 08:59:38)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

AP top 20 9 of 10 times. They were top 10 in 5 of 10 times. This was in spite of them going 1-9 vs. Notre Dame. I'm sure you'll concede it's easier to get a higher ranking with a win vs. ND than a loss. It is very hard to imagine that Kelly would have gone 5-5 playing teams of that caliber.

Holtz also played 30 teams that finished in the final AP top 25 in his first 5 years, 19 of those teams earned those rankings despite a loss to ND. Not sure of Kelly's exact numbers but they're both decidedly lower.


I only referenced USC and Michigan because Carlos Huerta did
by ShermanOaksND  (2014-12-27 21:25:42)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Parseghian obviously faced USC in its prime; they won 3 full/partial NCs and 4 Rose Bowls during Ara's years at ND. He also played MSU at its historical peak in 1965-1966, Purdue during its best-ever sustained run from 1965-1969, and unbeaten, top-ranked Texas and Alabama teams in 2 bowls each (going 3-1). Parseghian was 7-9-3 against teams that ended in the AP top 10.

Holtz faced Miami and FSU in their prime, going 2-2 and 1-2, respectively. USC and Michigan were top powers in 1988 and 1989, and Holtz swept both teams both years. Holtz also played 8 straight bowl games against top 8 teams from the 1988-1995 seasons (going 5-3), including 6 against top 4 teams (going 4-2). Holtz was 15-17-1 against teams that ended in the AP top 10, including 4-0 in 1988.

By comparison, Kelly is just 2-6 against top 10 teams, and was utterly embarrassed in his only bowl game against a top 10 team.


I guess we can rule out Rockne and Leahy as well
by jt  (2014-12-27 20:52:02)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

great point FLD


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