I dont disagree she needs the Trump voters to win in the
by wpkirish (2024-01-29 17:22:01)

In reply to: I don’t think she can get elected without winning the MAGAs  posted by acrossdmiddle

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general election. The problem is how do you keep those voters and then no go along with what they want once you are in office. I dont think the defeat of Trump in and of itself with lead to the defeat of Trumpism. Do you think Hawley or Cruz or a host of others are going to change if Trump loses and the Senate is supposed to be the adults in the room. Over in the House MAGA is in full control.

Many of these officials walked away from Trump after 1/6 only to come back when they decided they needed him. If you have not already seen what Stefanik said about 1/6 and the need to prosecute the people she now calls political hostages. How does a President Haley who is indebted to those politicians and voters take a different path?

It will be like Biden and the extreme left
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Haley would have to accommodate some of the MAGA agenda (if that’s even possible depending on their representation in Congress), but she would steer away from the extreme positions in an effort to move the nation forward. I don’t know if she could end the MAGA movement but it’s better than the alternative.

I think that is a false equivalency
by wpkirish  (2024-01-31 00:04:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

The far left has no where near the power over the Dems that the MAGA has over the Republicans. McCarthy had to pander to them to win the Speaker’s chair and then promptly lost it. The new Speaker was happily referred to as MAGA Mike Johnson until he realized he needed to govern and the Freedom caucus immediately started talking about dumping him.

I will grant you the college loan issue. Other than that Biden has not been controlled by the left and even that they got less than they wanted and it may be he actually believed it was the right thing to do. He has stayed strong in support of Israel despite complaints from the left. The WH and Senate Dems have engaged in good faith negotiations on the border without appearing to demand anything for dreamers in order to obtain funding for Ukraine. And Israel. That would not make the left wing happy but he is still doing it. Meanwhile the MAGA caucus said they would not agree to those without border policy changes but won’t take yes for an answer.

I will make another plug for Adam Kinzinger's sub stack. This from his piece today the full link is below

The GOP no longer negotiates in good faith, at least once the former President speaks up. How many times do they move the goal posts? I saw this many times over my 12 years in the house, the Freedom Caucus makes a demand that seems unreasonable, and once it’s met they then withdrawal that demand to an even more extreme position until alas, the demands cannot be met, the deal collapses, and they can then blame the “RINOS and Democrats.” Democracy cannot function when one party consistently negotiates in bad faith. This is governing by children..