None of the guys who carried out the 911 attacks
by AquinasDomer (2024-02-03 20:32:03)

In reply to: The number of non South/Central American migrants  posted by 88_92WSND


Came over the border. They also came over when illegal crossings were extremely high.

It seems pretty inefficient to fly agents to Ecuador and have them spend half a year getting through life and death situations to cross vs. Just using people who can get visas. I'd also note the refugees who tend to get asylum are the ones coming from China/Russia/Africa.




And there have been no changes in security or
by 88_92WSND  (2024-02-03 23:29:51)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

travel or counter-terrorism measures since 2000? Why would a ~3 day bus trip take 6 months? Getting a visa to the US from a rebellious part of Yemen, let alone multiple shouldn't be a walk in the park given, you know, that that part of Yemen is shooting at people.
And what does who gets asylum have to do with people sneaking across the border? Asylum seekers are fine with getting caught if they have reasonable expectation of getting asylum. Fine - but seeking/getting asylum is not a prerequisite for getting into the country and/or moving around it (whether for economic reasons or nefarious reasons). Getting in without getting caught OR taking advantage of the delays in processing are both opportunities for risk.

ABC story: "More typically, nonresponse or bureaucratic obstacles make returns difficult, if not impossible," global migration researcher Erlend Paasche wrote in a 2022 report. "If, for instance, the U.S. government approaches an origin country's embassy to request assistance in verifying identification and issuing travel documents as part of a removal, that country has various tools at its disposal to complicate the return."

With exceptions like Iran, it is relatively rare for countries to outright refuse to take back their own citizens, according to the Migration Policy Institute.

But China and Russia have been listed by the U.S. as two of the least cooperative countries when it comes to verifying and returning their would-be deportees. Other uncooperative countries include Cuba, Eritrea, Hong Kong, India, Iran, Iraq, Laos and Pakistan.

Countries can choose not to respond to U.S. requests or impose high bars for identity verification, making it difficult to prove the deportee's country of origin, according to Paasche.


Finally "they didn't do it that way last time" is one of the classic errors in warning. Below is a photo from the game program for an Army Navy game. The caption reads in part " It is significant that despite the claims of air enthusiasts no battleship has yet been sunk by bombs.". The program is dated November 29, 1941. The battleship in the picture is USS Arizona