Or the fraud and confusing primary process
by airborneirish (2024-03-24 16:01:53)

In reply to: There were 109,000 Mailin ballots to count.  posted by wpkirish

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And no buzz election to keep turn out low. Or the myriad factors the socialists here use to remain in power.

And thr CTU busing students to vote for their preferences *
by ratinatux  (2024-03-25 09:07:06)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

I criticized CTU for dong that when the story came out
by wpkirish  (2024-03-25 10:57:06)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

However there is a significant difference between fnding ways to get your supporters to the polls and stealing an election with fraudulent ballots. Fact is the Higher income neighborhoods that have spent 4 years bitching about crime could not find time to go vote despite the fact there were 50 early voting sites in the City open several weeks before the election, mail in voting and of course election day voting.

I have spent most of my life working election day vote operations. It is not glamorous but really important and quite honeslty too many of the "new" folks domt understand it or care enough about it.

Me too. Every Democratic primary for 20 years.
by JMAC76  (2024-03-26 00:02:06)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

But I get worried when David Orr’s son Jeff starts to ask questions. And he’s asking questions.

Maybe you should be more concerned too.

My concnern is without any evidence all we are doing is
by wpkirish  (2024-03-26 08:43:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

undermining the trust. Is it possible yes but the same question would apply to Orr as Iasked below. Having raised the idea there was fraud what happens when Burke ONeill is declared the winner? Does he then say all is good?


From what I am hearing both sides expect her to win by about 1,000 votes so there will obviously be a recount but I give credit to both campaigns for the profesional manner in which they have handled it.

And yes some of the issue is the retirement of David Orr who was the consumate professional with years of experience and presumably many of his top people.

side note
by jt  (2024-03-25 20:41:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

I appreciate you working the vote operations.
There is also a difference between GOTV operations
by ratinatux  (2024-03-25 15:10:12)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

And the peaoole in charge of grading and disciplining a group of highly malleable voters marching them to the polls while actively and openly supporting certain candidates/initiatives. It’s not fraud, but I think it’s actually closer to fraud than it is to proper GOTV operations.

But also agree with your other point regarding turnout
I dont disagree with the way it was handled. Optics matter
by wpkirish  (2024-03-25 15:34:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

it should not have been done during school. Had they done it after school then it is more like a typical GOTV activity like souls to the polls for Sunday voting. Of course had they waited until after school they likely would not have had as many students interested in doing it.

What is intersting is that effort was focused on the Bring Chicago home initative. That initiative was defeated and the last numbers I could see were 173,217 to 152,248. Comparing Burke Oneill's numbers it looks like a substnatial number of people voted against the initiative but for Clayton Harris. Obviously will need to see final resuls but would not have expected to see that correlation.

One is on all ballots the other only on dem ballot *
by airborneirish  (2024-03-26 05:38:32)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

That accounts for some of it but that would mean the
by wpkirish  (2024-03-26 08:46:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

ballot initiative would have tied in the Republican primary which seems unlikely. As I said will need to see final numbers to be able to make any accurate assessments.

Actually they didn’t vote in the S.A. race
by JMAC76  (2024-03-26 00:04:34)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

They just voted against BCH. Which is pretty wild.

That prompt took a PhD to understand *
by airborneirish  (2024-03-26 13:24:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Agree that divergence is interesting
by ratinatux  (2024-03-25 15:59:32)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

I havent heard/read anything unpacking it., either
How do you define "socialists"? *
by ACross  (2024-03-24 17:34:24)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

I have learned to go with how folks publicly self identify
by airborneirish  (2024-03-24 20:07:46)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

https://chicagosocialistcaucus.org/who-we-are

Do you have any other ignorant things to state?
To be clear these are five people who have no role in
by wpkirish  (2024-03-25 10:50:22)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

administering the elections. Hell a couple of them arent even commiteemen anymore. LaSpata was kicked off the ballot because he did not have enough valid signatures. Yes one of the socialists you think is masterminding election theft could not even get organized to get his name on the ballot.

I look forward to you explaining why none of this is an issue if she holds on and Harris supporters start claiming fraud.

Do non-socialists often do interviews with Jacobin?
by AIRBORNEIRISH  (2024-03-25 11:13:55)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

https://jacobin.com/2023/05/chicago-working-class-movement-brandon-johnson-unions-core-uwf-the-dig

The CTU is deplorable https://www.ctulocal1.org/posts/we-are-one-step-closer-after-primary-election-day-wins/

I guess "housing is a human right" is a non-socialist chant of moderate democrats who believe capitalism increases quality of life for all.

Finally, I don't care who wins.

You apparently have only ever lived here and do not realize how ridiculously peculiar the February and March elections for municipal leadership is.

NY, LA, Phoenix, Houston, etc. - all of these cities have their elections in November.

Why do you think Chicago has its elections in February and March? Why do you think there is never buzz about dem primaries here? Whom does low turn out favor?

SDG and the vast majority of CTU are socialists and they scheme to keep average people from being aware of when to vote. It's disenfranchisement by structure.



The interview you posted does not include anyone in any
by wpkirish  (2024-03-25 12:41:51)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

role in adminstering the election. You are citing the few proud socialists as if they are running this election and stealing for their preferred candidte when they have no role in it whatsoever,

I am not certain what the issue of when the municipal elections are has to do with your allegations of fraud in connection with a non-municpal office in a primary during the same period of time most other states are holding primaries. To be honest I am not certain why Illinois municipal elections are held when they are but it is set by State statiute and they have been in April for as long as I can remember. I know you think everything you dont like is th fault of Dems but many of these old rules were set years ago by Republicans in Illinois (yes they once upon a time had most of the statewide offices and legislature). For instance the Illinois statewides offices are in non-presidential years due to a change in th state constituion from the convention that had more Republican delegates than Democratis delagates.

As you can see from the results the party is pretty evenly split here so the idea one side is setting the rules to help themselves is silly. The date has been what it has been forever and yes it favors incumbents and the better organized candidate but that would be true either way.

So the head of CTU, and CTU have no power in elections
by AIRBORNEIRISH  (2024-03-26 18:36:45)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Are you trolling me? What is going on here?
Did you read what I wrote? I said they have no role in
by wpkirish  (2024-03-26 23:28:22)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Administering the election and they don’t. Guess what there are employees in that office who are supporting both candidates. This isn’t 1956 the idea you can get away with the type of fraud you are alleging is laughable. Hell the Republican lawyer who spent his life chasing proof admits he never found any.

What are you going to say when she holds on to win? Will the election be legitimate? The problem is very basic the elected officials who supported her suck at getting people to the polls and people who have been complaining about Kim Foox didn’t care enough to turn out to vote. You talked about how the time of year was used to depress turnout which completely ignores the fact the primary two years ago was in June and turnout was basically the same.

If they uncover evidence of fraud the people should be prosecuted and thrown in jail. I think the more likely explanation is after David Orr’s retirement you have a bunch of people without much experience in charge and they made mistakes. Hell even both campaigns have said that.

Go yell at your neighbors. From what I recall you live near
by wpkirish  (2024-03-24 16:52:45)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

North and Sedgwick. Looked at some numbers in line and those moderate voters who have been so up in arms about crime in the city could even be bothered to come vote against Preckwinkle’s hand picked replacement for Foxx.

2nd ward turnout was below 23%. 32nd ward was 25%. 42nd was 21%. The 43rd ward was an astounding 27%. Even the 19th and 39th where a ton of police officers and fire fighters live turned out 33% and 23%. That is shit turn out by the elected officials who bucked the party and endorse O’Neill Burke and apparently the people who have spent the past four years saying crime was horrendous and Foxx needed to go could not be bothered to vote.