I think there is another issue but I'm not sure how it works

I think there is another issue but I'm not sure how it works
by ufl (2024-03-24 16:25:15)

In reply to: I guess it depends on what is considered timely... posted by Kbyrnes

in Illinois.

During the last Presidential election, my wife and I voted by mail in Florida.

In all previous elections I have voted in person. To my way of thinking, there are two pieces to voting. First, I tell the volunteers my name. They check to see (a) if there is such a registered voter and (b) if he has already voted. If that test is passsed, they look at my ID. If that looks OK they give me a ballot.

That's piece number one.

I take the ballot over to a booth, fill in the circles I want and put it down the slot where it joins the other ballots.

That's piece number two.

When the polls close, they feed the ballots into the machines and can get a count for that precinct pretty quickly.

For a mail in ballot, I fill in my name and signature on a form which accompanies my filled out ballot. I mailed this in a couple of weeks before election day.

When they receive my envelope, the election officials tear open the envelope and check piece number one at that time. If they decide that there is such a guy, and that he has not yet voted and my signature matches, they place the ballot on a stack which will not be counted until election night.

My impression is that states such as Pennsylvania don't even open the envelopes until the polls close. This is why, in 2020, when there were an extradinary volume of mail ins, the process of counting them was agonzingly slow and Trump yelled as loudly as he could to stop the count while he was ahead and yelled afterward that there was something wrong with mail in ballots.

On the other hand, these votes were counted more quickly in Florida (Florida runs an election right???) because they had completed a signifcant proportion of piece number one before election night.

It may be that the procedure in Illinois is fraudulent. It might also be that it is just slow and mail in voters have a different mix than in person voters.

Slow and a different mix.

Assume for a second one could hide an effort to fraudulent add thousands of ballots for one candidate. It certainly doesn’t make sense that one would be able to do it in this situation. The party in the county basically split down the middle in terms of who the officials endorsed. There are people in this office who support both of these candidates. The idea one campaign would be able to secretly add thousands of ballots and would be doing so in a manner that the vote totals mirror somewhat closely the overall results is insanity.

The margin before mail in ballots was like 8500 votes. There were 109,000 mail in ballots and apparently the spokesperson forgot to update the number for ballots received Monday. Which is where the fraud allegation is originating.

As I said in a different post the problem is the people who have been screaming loudest about crime couldn’t find the time to vote. Most of the North side wards where the complaints have been the loudest literally had turnout below 25%. I am good friends with an alderwoman on the NW side with lots of police officers and fire fighters in her ward. 23% of the people voted.

If Williams wins I don’t think he will be as bad as Foxx but 75% of the voters handed their vote to someone else.

Why do they need to see your ID?

Or do we not want that to be the focus?

I do agree that delaying the opening and counting of mail in ballots adds to confusion and delay which engenders mistrust in the system. Pennsylvania should learn from the past but I don’t think they will.