Don't cite facts. Biden is awesome. That's the only truth. *
by Jimbo Irish (2024-04-14 15:02:34)
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In reply to: Failing to keep up our economic warfare on them.  posted by EricCartman

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I don’t think there are more than three people on here
by mocopdx  (2024-04-14 16:18:48)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Who think Biden is awesome. There aren’t even many who think he’s just “good”.

What percentage of the board will vote for him?
by EricCartman  (2024-04-14 18:24:46)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

That’s really all that matters.

In a two party system, it's either Biden or Trump. If
by sorin69  (2024-04-15 09:15:19)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

you live in a swing state, you have the power to help keep a proven incompetent out of control monster out of a retaliatory second term. Everything else pales in comparison. That's your choice. Please own it. I am not interested in engaging in one more debate about Biden and the Democrats. In this case, not to choose really is to choose. (I see that Sununu, much praised in these precincts, says that he will vote for Trump. Of course.)

I suppose if there's a debate to be had, it's how much lasting damage you think Trump will or won't do. For the record, I don't share the hysteria of too many on the left. The country will survive four more years of this incompetent monster. But I'm hard pressed to think of even one way we or the world will be better off (does anyone think, e.g., Trump is going to help reduce the national debt, to pick the most defensible argument my GOP friends can make?). Maybe the fallout (metaphorical?) from four more years will help purge of us of MAGA fever once and for all.

I'm voting third-party in NC.
by EricCartman  (2024-04-15 13:57:13)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Just like I did in 2016 and 2020.

I refuse to vote for candidates that I do not agree with, because of some lesser evil logic.

Our system is built upon checks and balances. I do not fear the orange monster, I just don't really want to live through it again. But if that is the will of the people, so be it. (Same goes for Biden winning. I'd rather not live through him, or Harris, but it is what it is.)
It's a free country and I respect your candor. We'll see
by sorin69  (2024-04-16 00:29:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

what happens. I confess I do not understand the indifference. But I could be the one who's wrong and it will just be another four years of watching our country trashed by a human being of unfathomable idiocy and vulgarity. We will, I repeat, survive. We're not Weimar.
It's not indifference
by crazychester  (2024-04-16 17:38:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

While I agree with some, though certainly not all, of Trumps policies, I will not vote for him because I think he is a despicable human being and is unfit to occupy the office.

While Biden seems to be a better man than Trump, I agree with very few of his policies and his refusal to even consider the role of spending in inflation and deficits (admittedly Trump is poor here as well, but not nearly as bad) is disqualifying to me*. This, along with his refusal to address the chaos caused by his border policies are, to me, disqualifying.

* US Debt and defecits are far and away my most important issue.

Appreciated. Your outline conforms to what I think of as the
by sorin69  (2024-04-17 08:26:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

board's center of gravity, if there is one. And debt and deficit are, as I expected, no. 1. "Indifference": okay, too strong and maybe unfair. I may be excessively grossed out by Trump's miasma of corruption in every sector of personal and public life. He secretes a pheromone that is peculiarly stimulating to a potent strain of American grievance and resentment. I can't think of a comparable figure in our political life from any point in the nation's history. He didn't create the grievance and resentment, which will be there when he finally pays the debt of nature. But he is really gifted at exploiting and stimulating it. Just profoundly depressing to see him gloating as he flies around on Air Force One and dominates our public life. His enemy list will make Nixon's look benign.

I will vote for neither *
by ACross  (2024-04-15 11:44:24)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Sad. *
by Dillon  (2024-04-15 12:02:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Seriously? Why is does that make you "sad"? *
by Marine Domer  (2024-04-16 15:19:40)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

It doesn’t make me sad.
by Dillon  (2024-04-16 19:11:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

The decision is sad. I find Soren’s analysis compelling.
I voted third party in 2016. My vote for Biden in 2020 was the first for a Democrat in more than 20 years. Trump’s level of depravity and malice “mandate” a vote against him.

That wasn’t what I was responding to, though
by mocopdx  (2024-04-14 20:15:21)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Sure, plenty of people here will vote for Biden, but the notion that Jimbo is mocking (that this board is full of rah-rah Biden cheerleaders) doesn’t make sense to me.

This board is very anti-Trump, but it’s not at all pro-Biden.
He has a lot of defenders here.
by EricCartman  (2024-04-15 16:50:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

It’s usually based on a relative comparison to Trump.

At the end of the day, whether you vote for Biden because your car is covered in Biden stickers, or you do it by accident, the result is the same. It is a vote to keep him in office.
it definitely doesn't make sense
by ravenium  (2024-04-15 11:29:35)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

And is a one line emotipost that provides nothing.

I think because trump is so uniquely incompetent and embarrassing to traditional conservatives, many of them (rightly) have a bit of ennui in their choices this fall. They're not going to magically change all their principles to Democratic Party ones, and why should they? I totally get that!

However, some of them have instead chosen to take one of two routes:

- try to make Biden "just as bad" somehow, vs "wrong within normal parameters".

- attack the straw man that does not exist here; namely the rabid pro Biden voter.

Look, I'd kill for a ranked choice situation and a way out of this ever polarizing binary situation we're in. But we're a long way from "meh I don't care for Bush/Obama but life goes on".

I'll hold my nose and vote for a geriatric with cognitive
by OITLinebacker  (2024-04-14 19:10:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Issues, it will be for the one with the less violent followers who did egg on a crowd to try and overturn the election.

I guess I'm tired of Boomer (or older) Presidential candidates.