HoSM nomination: John Mabry
by Go_Crazy_Folks (2024-04-14 00:03:21)

14 seasons

-2.3 career WAR. Never exceeded 1.8.

5 seasons of positive WAR
8 seasons of negative WAR

No bold ink.

Award colum is blank other than getting some RoY votes.

This isn’t even mediocrity.




Sticking with former Cardinals: Gerald Perry
by No Right Turn on Red  (2024-04-15 14:32:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

13 seasons, 3500 plate appearances

-0.1 career WAR, highest individual season 0.9 (at age 32).

6 seasons of negative WAR

One All Star Game appearance.


He is the holy grail of this.
by doug dascenzo  (2024-04-14 15:32:38)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Even Doug Flynn and Neifi Perez each had a gold glove. I do not believe any other players have more games played than Mabry with a negative career WAR.


You'd like to have his pension *
by Cards86  (2024-04-14 11:26:53)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Certainly. I loved him in his Cardinal days and am surprised
by Go_Crazy_Folks  (2024-04-14 11:43:14)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

to see the number are this bad. A LOT of teams believed he had enough value to roster him for 14 years. I wonder if that was a failure of analytics at the time, or if there is something the numbers are missing (pinch hitter specialist).


I’d guess the former: inflated value of batting average.
by tdiddy07  (2024-04-15 08:35:03)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

They saw an early career .300 hitter that happened to only provide replacement level value in scoring runs.


It could also be how GMs valued veterans back then.
by No Right Turn on Red  (2024-04-15 14:28:18)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Back in the day, it seemed common for teams to sign someone who they could "depend on" to give someone a rest every once in a while. These players were relatively cheap (Mabry made about $500,000-$1,000,000 per year on single year contracts in his 30s).

When it comes to bench players nowadays, you see teams willing to depend on young prospects over veterans. The players are cheap, and it gives teams the opportunity to see what they've got. Rather than signing a player with a long track history of mediocre at best.

There are still exceptions. For example, the Cardinals give at bats to Taylor Motter last year. Or the Cardinals giving at bats to Brandon Crawford and Matt Carpenter this year.


And managers.
by John@Indy  (2024-04-17 14:07:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I have little recollection of Mabry as a Cub, but I see Dusty trotted him out for 237 plate appearance in 2006 with an OPS+ of 54. At least he wasn't clogging the bases!


Those are the contracts I'm most critical of when the Reds
by tdiddy07  (2024-04-16 09:21:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

sign them. Wasting a couple million on a few bench guys that likely won't perform better than prospects. I'd rather save that money to throw an extra year on a future free agent deal of a good player.