It does fit nicely with Confronting Whiteness at Notre Dame
by 1978Irish (2019-01-20 15:59:58)

In reply to: Admin Building Columbus murals to be covered.  posted by John88

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I sent an email to the Sori. Society contact saying I thought a less incendiary title would have been better. He said he would pass it on to the professors doing the presentation. I am sure they will ignore it.

You can’t understand history without understanding the context. The murals are beautiful art that depicts 19th century view of Columbus.

People of European decent who are upset about what their ancestors did 400 or 500 years ago should go back to Europe.

We got where we are today by what our ancestors did. Some was good and some was bad. On the whole the US has had a very good effect on the world.

Similar defenses are used to keep southern generals
by fontoknow  (2019-01-20 16:36:21)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

On pedestals. We don't need to be confronted in our day to day life by Columbus to learn about his contributions to the development of America, warts and all.
Most of those southern generals were far superior to the
by carroll12  (2019-01-20 20:27:57)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Northern ones and managed to hold off a materially overwhelming northern invasion for four years.
They were also traitors.
by BeijingIrish  (2019-01-21 10:12:01)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Should have been hanged.
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by Hati Hijau  (2019-01-21 23:45:34)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

And they fought for a despicable cause. Those statues were
by NJIrish04  (2019-01-21 10:02:02)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

also typically erected at a time when the white population was orchestrating a resistance to civil rights progress for African Americans. But yeah, let's honor the Lost Cause. It is amusing that people still defend this ignorant shit in 2019...
Is Columbus really "confronting" anyone?
by ndgotrobbedin97  (2019-01-20 16:59:09)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Someone in another century painted his likeness and story on a significant building wall. Somehow 100+ years later young children need to be sheltered from it, so their lives are not somehow ruined. We can only talk about it if its hidden. We can't "confront" our history. Yet, the same guy who puts his signature on this decision told us all we had to have an active dialogue and listen to those who believe in abortion rights, and we had to consider their opinions, and let them be seen/heard on campus.

I see a disconnect here.

Let's take your position
by fontoknow  (2019-01-20 17:24:07)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Columbus isn't confronting anyone...it's just decorations in the most iconic building on campus. So Fr. John decided to redecorate. It's an aesthetic choice then.

Fine. I can live with that outcome too.

You're trying to deflect
by ndgotrobbedin97  (2019-01-20 18:14:15)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

That completely changes the topic at hand. That doesn't settle anything. That hides from the story. You used the word confront. Read the definition of the word. It implies controversy. Columbus is not being controversial. He neither asked to be painted nor discussed. Yet, hiding him is a sad attempt to hide history, instead of deal with it. Why did we invite Obama to campus and then "dialogue" on his abortion stance? Wasn't that because ND is a place for ideas and discussion? So, why not use the mural to discuss? Why run and hide?
What ideas do the Columbus murals present
by fontoknow  (2019-01-20 18:24:02)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

That can't be presented elsewhere?

The murals are a glorification of Columbus. They do in fact confronted anyone visiting the second floor of the main building. They sure as shit arent passive.
I think that’s a bit much
by HTownND  (2019-01-21 09:34:18)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I agree 100% with the decision by ND here, but I don’t think they confront people that much.

I walked in and out of there plenty of times. Sometimes I noticed them, most of the time I didn’t.

I don’t think they are that in your face.