half of the SJ's that taught at my high school were gay
by jt (2019-06-20 21:03:16)

In reply to: I know you don’t like Jesuits schools, but my  posted by Jennyb


most of them openly so. It was great turning on "60 minutes" a few years after graduation to see all of it exposed.


I read somewhere in the last six months that about half
by KevinPS  (2019-06-21 12:41:01)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

of Jesuit seminarians over some period of time were (I don't know if it's still accurate) gay. It was in CNA or Crux or a similar outlet. That would be in line with your HS experience.


This shouldn't be surprising.
by ewillND  (2019-06-21 14:23:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

If you are a young, Catholic, homosexual man, you have two choices:

1) live your life in celibacy--either openly homosexual but fending off all possible loving relationships so that you can remain celibate, or closeted with everyone you know openly wondering if you are gay. Ultimately, it's a really lonely existence either way. Or

2) Join the priesthood, where you will have a brotherhood and a community to support you, and no one will question your celibacy.

it's really no wonder that so many priests are homosexual. The system is set up in such a way that it's really the only viable option for a homosexual man who wants to remain faithful to the Church.


There are quite a few homosexual men who would disagree
by TCIrish03  (2019-06-21 18:00:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

With the overt negativity of your #1. Sex isn't water or food, and you can love without sex. They have come to find fulfilling platonic relationships with other men while not having to hide behind a sham heterosexual marriage.

Granted, it is hard, and I'm not discounting that people have had a difficult time in history, but it's easy to fall into the "if it feels good, do it" trap (though heterosexuals have our own problems there), but it can be done. The Courage apostolate (linked) is one of the main ones, but there are others.

My hope is that now that the taboo is gone, we can move on to it not seeming like a hopeless situation while at the same time be able to live lives faithful to Christ's teaching on marriage. But there will always be perversions of the law, of all kinds.

Edit: this post applies to both men and women.


Similarly, I take exception to the CNN headline
by Father Nieuwland  (2019-06-20 21:29:57)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

“An Archbishop told a Jesuit school to fire a gay teacher. They said no.”

It is not inaccurate - the teacher is gay and the headline does not say he was fired because he is gay, but I think it does give the impression he was fired because he is gay.

Agree or disagree with the reason, one has to read until paragraph ten before finding what I believe to be the Archbishop’s reason (Trustees statement that school “respectfully declined the Archdiocese's insistence and directive that we dismiss a highly capable and qualified teacher due to the teacher being a spouse within a civilly recognized same-sex marriage.")


What was the reason? *
by Nitschke  (2019-06-21 11:57:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


I think we can only make an educated guess from CNN article
by Father Nieuwland  (2019-06-21 12:01:46)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

From the Catholic News Agency article (linked below):

The conflict between the school and the archdiocese began with an archdiocesan request that the contract of a teacher who is in a same-sex marriage not be renewed.

The school became aware of the teacher's same-sex marriage in the summer of 2017, according to a June 20 statement from Fr. Brian Paulson, SJ, head of the Jesuits' Midwest Province.

Paulson said the archdiocese requested “two years ago that Brebeuf Jesuit not renew this teacher’s contract because this teacher’s marital status does not conform to church doctrine.”