ND suspending Rome program; all students returning to US.
by G.K.Chesterton (2020-02-28 23:06:37)
Edited on 2020-02-28 23:08:05

Notre Dame is suspending its Rome programs and bringing the 106 Notre Dame students currently studying abroad in the Italian capital back to the United States, the University announced in an email to students Friday evening.

I can't reach the Observer site on my work computer so visit that for more details, but I have seen the e-mail itself. Those returning will have to stay at home for 14 days, then receive clearance from a physician. University-sponsored travel to Italy is prohibited (such travel to China and South Korea had already been taken out of play).




Loyola-Chicago sending their Rome students home too. *
by rockmcd  (2020-02-29 22:57:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Something like 500 kids.
by doolinbanjos  (2020-02-29 23:36:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

They are going to have to find a place for all of them after quarantine.


Serious Question - Why?
by Dutch  (2020-02-29 11:30:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It seems like any chance of containing this virus has been lost. As a result, it seems like a widespread pandemic is already occurring and it will hit the US sooner rather than later. In fact, bringing these students back from Europe seems more likely to hasten the spread. Isn't the reality that we just need to accept that this virus is out there, that we are all likely to get it, and to hope for effective treatment and/or a vaccine sooner rather than later.


Because containment reduces ...
by NDFanSince81  (2020-02-29 12:14:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

the number of people who eventually get infected.

One way or another, an epidemic will evolve to the point of steady endemic infection or herd immunity for the population at large. One way to get there is massive levels of infection. The problem with that is more people will suffer the disease than is otherwise needed to get to a steady state. For disease with a non-trivial mortality rate, that also means more people die than otherwise needed.

In the absence of a vaccine, slowing the rate of infection through containment and social distancing is the right strategy.


Because the CDC issued a Level 3 travel advisory for Italy. *
by beancounter  (2020-02-29 11:55:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


This. *
by ballb4all  (2020-02-29 12:54:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


My B17 was supposed to travel to Italy over Spring Break
by ndaero93  (2020-02-29 10:08:24)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

One of those travel tours led by a couple of teachers at his high school. It is getting interesting now. Their communications have been horrible about the process at this point. Some investigating shows that because of the Level 3, they have halted tours to Italy, so we know he's not going, but they haven't notified us of anything yet.

It seems like they can either send them someplace else that week (he chose the trip because of Italy not to visit someplace else) or change when they go and reschedule the trip (My guess is that this is difficult with a bunch of HS kids).

In any case, it seems like the tour company isn't going to want to give out refunds, so we are subject to cancelation policies if the option they choose doesn't work for us - oh, and at 30 days out, most of the stuff is non-refundable and we are at 33 days right now...

Going to be a fun couple days for the trip leaders, who set a meeting with the students for 29 days out to make a decision (not the brightest there) and have yet to communicate directly to the parents.


You should be pushy.
by squid  (2020-02-29 14:47:56)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Don’t wait until 29 days out if the policy is 30 days.


Absolutely - I've already started pushing
by ndaero93  (2020-02-29 15:15:33)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I reached out last night to the trip organizer to let him know of the "math" around the dates and the implications.


My B16 is going through the HS in July. I hope things
by veets  (2020-02-29 12:50:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

are contained then.


Travel this summer gonna be cheap cheap! May not
by inigomontoya  (2020-02-29 09:34:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

vacation in China but Europe Caribbean are all going to be deals.


Maybe, but Anthony Travel really takes care of us. *
by Irish Tool  (2020-02-29 15:24:51)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


The best part will the quarantine on return. *
by NDFanSince81  (2020-02-29 12:16:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


True, 2 more weeks of vacation! Be not afraid. *
by Inigomontoya  (2020-02-29 13:15:18)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


I was supposed to go to Beijing in September
by carroll2005  (2020-02-29 09:46:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I understand that there are high odds that the virus will die in hotter temps.

But we needed to either commit to this meeting or not, so we officially pulled out this week.


Hope you are right...
by Irisharab  (2020-02-29 09:42:12)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The Mrs. and I would like to go to the Adriatic and Greece in mid September. I’m sure airfares will go down for Spring and early summer, but I’m doubtful that the sales will extend into the early fall.


I'm supposed to go to Italy this summer
by BottleofRed  (2020-02-29 09:21:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

with my graduate school program. It's not looking good.


Hmmmm. We're going in mid-April (I guess)
by dbldomer7375  (2020-02-29 09:34:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

If we make it back, you'll know it's safe.


SMC as well. My daughter is coming home tomorrow.
by ArizonaDawg  (2020-02-29 08:28:16)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Of course she’s pissed.


I can imagine she is. It's a shame.
by ewillND  (2020-02-29 09:09:18)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

My ND sister did the SMC Rome program, and it was an awesome experience for her. I'm sorry that your daughter has to head home early.


Yeah, I’m sad for her
by ArizonaDawg  (2020-02-29 10:33:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I hope SMC gives her the option of going back (if her major allows for it), but I certainly understand they’re under no obligation to do so and I don’t fault them at all.


My neighbor is one of them. I hope she is OK *
by Santos L Halper  (2020-02-29 08:27:35)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


There are 7 ND programs in China — also cancelled?
by 1NDGal  (2020-02-29 07:38:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I had no idea how much the Notre Dame study abroad program has expanded. 75% of kids study abroad for credit before they graduate.

49
semester and academic-year programs
24
summer programs
28
countries
#7
leading institution by undergraduate participation

This guy is too much — “Third-year architecture student Dominic Grimes expressed his frustration regarding the situation. The University tried their best, I guess, but the major reason that I chose this University was to live in Rome for a year and now I feel robbed of that experience in its totality and the whole program now feels like a waste to me,” third-year architecture student Dominic Grimes said in a text.”

Sorry you were fraudulently induced into attending ND, dear. Covid-19 was completely foreseeable.


Yes *
by fontoknow  (2020-02-29 08:27:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Seems to be a little bit too late. Hope our students are ok *
by Frank Drebin  (2020-02-29 06:45:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


It was the right decision at the right time.
by ewillND  (2020-02-29 07:54:25)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It would have been difficult to make it any more quickly. This thing blew up here this week. It didn't occur to me when we left on Monday to ski for three days in Austria that I would spend this weekend planning online instruction for next week just in case. No decision has been made on that yet.

Meanwhile, we've had tens of thousands of hospitalizations and hundreds of deaths here due to influenza--it has been a nasty year for it.


Columbia, Syracuse Stanford others started 2 weeks ago *
by Frank Drebin  (2020-02-29 08:48:33)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Not from Italy. Let's not be disingenuous.
by ewillND  (2020-02-29 09:02:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Evacuations from programs in Florence (which is closer to Lombardy than Rome) started on Tuesday. There weren't any cases reported in Italy two weeks ago, outside of two Chinese tourists in Rome (a city of 3 million people). Let's not blow this out of proportion.