Notre Dame is 28th in WSJ's annual college rankings.
by G.K.Chesterton (2020-09-18 09:12:50)

ND is tied for 5th in student engagement, 30th in Outcomes, 33rd in resources and > 400 in Environment. If you zero out Environment and split its percentage points between Outcome and Resources, the overall ranking rises to 24th (their system lets you customize the weighting to your liking).

They also have a scattergram showing endowment value vs. ranking and Notre Dame is in the top-ten of endowment value, slightly ahead of Columbia and Northwestern and behind Michigan.

(Note to other WSJ subscribers: I think there is something awry with their filtering system. If I filter on the major of "Business...", nothing comes up for me.)

Top Ten

Harvard University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Yale University
Stanford University
Brown University (tie for 5th)
Duke University (tie for 5th)
California Institute of Technology (tie for 7th)
Princeton University (tie for 7th)
Cornell University
Northwestern University

Outcomes accounts for 40% of the weighting and measures things like the salary graduates earn and the debt burden they accrue. Resources, with a 30% weighting, is mainly a proxy for the spending schools put into instruction and student services. Engagement, drawn mostly from a student survey and with a 20% weight, examines views on things like teaching and interactions with faculty and other students. Environment, at 10%, assesses the diversity of the university community.




What does "Environment" mean?
by sprack  (2020-09-18 10:56:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Not a subscriber and am not really interested in reading the article anyway, so just wondering what the definition of that is.


"Environment assesses the diversity of the university." *
by G.K.Chesterton  (2020-09-18 13:02:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


So, biased against a Catholic school *
by Son of Galway  (2020-09-18 15:22:16)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Yes, if you sort the environment rankings by worst score
by NavyJoe  (2020-09-18 16:27:21)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

You can see that there are many catholic / christian colleges that are ranked worst in that regard. Worst in this case is >400.


Environment:
by revressbo  (2020-09-18 11:47:49)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

“The WSJ/THE rankings measure school environments based on factors including the percentage of Pell Grant recipients—a proxy for students from low-income backgrounds—the racial and ethnic diversity of students and staff, and the proportion of students who come from abroad.“


Sounds like a useless and possibly harmful criterion.
by doolinbanjos  (2020-09-18 11:16:45)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It's useless in that what is desirable about a college environment is subjective. Some of the things putting ND at the bottom may well be things that many people are looking for in a college. It's potentially harmful if we start to incentivize colleges to conform to an idealized environment for ranking purposes.


Then all college rankings are useless. *
by Keenan4w  (2020-09-18 16:58:02)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Agree completely
by sprack  (2020-09-18 14:27:22)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I guess we have too many Catholics. Yawn.


Refers to taking leak on golf course on way back from Corbys *
by Frank Drebin  (2020-09-18 11:01:33)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Giving back to Mother Nature. *
by G.K.Chesterton  (2020-09-18 13:01:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Nit: Gaia *
by Raoul  (2020-09-18 13:34:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post