Still not as good as Pedro in 2000
by DBCooper (2020-10-03 10:00:46)

In reply to: 1968. 1.12 ERA. Let that sink in  posted by OldIrishFan


And Maddox in 95 was probably better too


Arguable. In '68 Gibson had a stretch of 261 batters
by Jellyfinger  (2020-10-03 11:39:50)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

faced in which he gave up 0 earned runs. In that span Willie Mays, Willie McCovey, Hank Aaron, Pete Rose, Billy Williams, Johnny Bench and Felipe Alou hit a combined 4/27 against him. He pitched 3 complete games in the '68 Series, with a series ERA under 2. No pitcher since 1920 with at least 150 innings pitched has had an ERA under 1.5, other than Gibson in '68, at 1.12.


I still hold a grudge against the f****** Detroit Tigers.
by Hati Hijau  (2020-10-03 13:48:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Bob deserved better.


Just looking at ERA is not the best way to decide
by DBCooper  (2020-10-03 11:50:04)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Again compare to rest of the league. 68 was a horrible hitting year for all of MLB. Due to raised mound, large strike zone and just weak hitting overall. Yaz led the league batting .301. Lowest slugging avg in AL since 1915. White Sox were shut out 23 times that year, a record. In 2000 7 guys hit over .340, 10 teams hit over 200 HRs and it was a record for most HR until 2017. Obviously we know steroids was rampant as well. 2000 was one of the best hitting years ever and Pedro dominated.


Look at ERA+
by Tubes  (2020-10-03 13:17:48)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Which adjusts for ballpark and league. Gibson had an ERA+ of 258 in 1968, while Pedro's was 291 in 2000,best in the modern era.


Wow
by DBCooper  (2020-10-03 13:59:55)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Look at the two guys this year. Obviously only a third of a season, but still impressive.

And the Yankees took care of Bieber in the playoffs, just like Pedro


June 14, 2000
by Nyirish08  (2020-10-03 11:28:49)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I had awesome seats from someone's job to watch Clemens start and the Yankees beat Pedro 2-1. Rivera closed it. Clemens left after 1 with some minor injury and everyone thought they were screwed.
I just had to look up the date but that's one of those awesome games from back then I'm thankful I had the opportunity to get to.


Maddox 1.65 ERA and Martinez 1.76 ERA
by OldIrishFan  (2020-10-03 10:14:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Martinez had a fantastic season and especially when comparing other pitchers’ ERA that year. Maddox as well although he didn’t pitch particularly well in the playoffs. Maddox only pitched about 200 innings. I had the privilege of watching Seaver throughout the 1971 season as I lived on Long Island growing up. The impressive thing about Seaver and Gibson is the amount of innings pitched and complete games l. They were pitching the 8th and
9th innings while today’s pitchers are on the bench. I saw them all and Gibson’s 1968 season
was for the ages.


Maddux and Martinez when compared to rest of league
by DBCooper  (2020-10-03 10:23:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Were unreal, especially Pedro. And as a Yankee fan, that’s hard to admit. Second best era in 2000 was Clemens at 3.7. 2 runs a game worse. That’s insane. Second best era in Gibson’s 68 was 1.99 for reference,

Gibson had raised mound, bigger strike zone and 68 was arguably the worst hitting year of the live ball era.

Nothing against Gibson, it’s a top 5 year, but Maddux and Pedro were better IMO.


I fully understand your points and tend to agree with them.
by OldIrishFan  (2020-10-03 10:32:20)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Pitching in 1968 was phenomenal and led to rules changes the next year. I think Yaz was the only player in the American League to hit over .300 and then only at .301. Maddox and Martinez did what they did in the era of steroids and specialization. I guess my memories are affected by sentimentality and foggy ruins of time. Gibson was intimidating and scary good. I got to see him in person in 1971 at Shea where he shut out the Mets and had a no-hitter going into the 7th inning. Comparing the ages is difficult but fun. It is one of the beauties of baseball. I think Clemens had the second best ERA to Martinez that year and it was almost double his. Martinez holds the record for greatest disparity between first and second place. Clemens ERA was 3.70. How about Dazzy Vance with a discrepancy of 1.2 runs in 1930. Just edited my post