Help me make sense of this
by ndzippy (2021-04-15 15:46:35)
Edited on 2021-04-15 15:47:39

Today, in an update with the Dean of the college for which I work, we learned that:

- All students will be required to be vaccinated to come to school next fall
- We intend to fill classrooms to 100% capacity in the fall (vs. the 25% rate we're at now)

However:

- Students must participate in surveillance testing
- Students will have to wear masks at all times
- No school events will be allowed to involve food or beverages

Also:

- Staff/faculty members will NOT be required to be vaccinated (must be a legal thing?)
- As such, all staff/faculty members must continue to follow all existing Covid protocols (masks, social distancing, reduced density in offices, conference rooms, etc.)

A lot of this confuses me, but I'm most perplexed by the student requirements. What's the point of a mandatory vaccine if you're still required to participate in surveillance testing, you still have to wear masks 100% of the time, and you're not allowed to eat or drink with other students (though you can sit in classrooms shoulder-to-shoulder for hours at a time)?


Here's what I don't understand...
by BottleofRed  (2021-04-15 20:15:03)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

How can you require students but NOT faculty/staff to be vaccinated? What's the difference? Theoretically, the faculty/staff would be in higher risk groups due to age, if nothing else.


I thought I heard that's what ND is doing as well
by ndzippy  (2021-04-15 20:27:24)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I just assumed the school cannot legally require faculty/staff members to get the vaccine...and that students were a different story.


Here is the latest fron ND on student side
by ND8486  (2021-04-15 21:20:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Dear Students, Faculty, and Staff,

Congratulations! We set an ambitious goal for the vaccination of students, and our students have achieved it. Among groups with the highest COVID infection rates, undergraduates and professional students, 90% have either been fully vaccinated or have received the first dose of a two-dose series. These percentages will allow us to move ahead with relaxing some campus health protocols, as previously announced.

On behalf of us all, I thank Governor Holcomb, the Indiana Department of Health, and our county health officials for sending us the vaccine and helping us with our vaccination site. I thank also the dedicated members of the Notre Dame staff and the nurses, emergency medical technicians, physician’s assistants, firefighters, police, and physicians who worked at the site. I extend a special thanks to the over 400 volunteers—students, faculty, and staff—who gave of their time to assist with the vaccination site and make the process efficient and welcoming for everyone. In my visits to the site, I found the cooperative, generous spirit of all involved simply inspiring. I cannot thank enough these members of our community, and all those who have worked tirelessly over the past year to respond to the challenges of COVID.

I also thank you, our students, who have been vaccinated at our campus site or provided confirmation of your off-campus vaccination. You have not only protected your own health, you have contributed to the health and safety of our campus, the local community, and your home communities. I extend my thanks as well to faculty and staff who have been vaccinated, whether at our on-campus site or in the local community.

Most students were vaccinated in the past eight days at our site and the vaccine takes some time to reach maximum effectiveness. We believe, however, that on our “mini-break” day, Wednesday, April 21, we can:

Allow student guests in designated residence hall 24-hour lounges Raise the maximum number at informal gatherings outdoors from 10 to 25 Eliminate the requirement to wear masks outdoors on campus for gatherings of 25 or less Reinstall basketball rims and volleyball nets

Details about changes to these protocols will follow in a separate communication from Mike Seamon and Erin Hoffmann Harding. All of our other health and safety protocols remain in place—masking indoors (including in the classroom) and carrying a mask at all times, whether indoors or outdoors; maintaining physical distancing; washing your hands, and completing the Daily Health Check.

We urge everyone who has received the first dose to receive the second as well. Once second vaccine doses are administered at our on-campus vaccination site, we will provide an update on reduced frequency for weekly surveillance testing and exit testing for those who are vaccinated. In the meantime, students should continue to report for testing when called.

In the coming days, we also will be able to announce some enhanced opportunities for graduating students as we move toward Senior Week and Commencement weekend.

Once again, thanks to everyone who made our campus vaccination such an extraordinary success. I am tremendously proud of the way our campus has responded to this challenging year, and we have much to celebrate. At the same time, I urge you to continue to exercise caution and continue to follow our health protocols. Let’s keep up the great work and continue to take care of ourselves and each other.

In Notre Dame,

Rev. John I. Jenkins, C.S.C.
President


I've seen an odd mix of requirements for rec sports and work
by ravenium  (2021-04-15 16:29:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Work is pitching to open back up but requires 100% vaccination (I didn't see masking requirements or not). They're requiring 2x weekly testing, paid for by them (hey, their dime). Strict, but I think it's workable. The testing is to continue to monitor spread and track/trace, and worst case it's 0 cases.

Our rec league is outdoor beer league (without the beer now, boo) softball. Requires:

-masks at all times (outdoors, but fine I guess - use that sporty sports mask I bought a while back)
-cannot sit on stadium seats, bring own seating (huh?)
-bring and use own balls (huh?)


Do you guys usually play with other guys' balls?? *
by 88_92WSND  (2021-04-15 22:17:19)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Thats brutal on sports
by elcortez01  (2021-04-15 16:56:48)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

We played hockey all year, no masks. We were supposed to distance on the bench but that lasted maybe a few games. No restrictions on upcoming beer league softball.


Rec sports are still operating off last summer's guidance
by Otter  (2021-04-15 16:33:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Same issues here. It's the "touch" protection that is killing me. Nobody can sit on the bleachers, even socially distanced. During basketball season, the coaches had to hand wipe the chairs the players and coaches used with clorox wipes.

For softball, each team uses their own ball.


Perhaps it's because of current CDC guidance (see below) *
by NavyJoe  (2021-04-15 16:16:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Seems strange to me
by Jvan  (2021-04-15 16:06:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

If mandatory masks and surveillance testing don't end when you have a 100% vaccinated population, what is their criteria to end these requirements?


Community herd immunity
by DakotaDomer  (2021-04-15 16:19:21)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I think the idea is to continue the same restrictions you’d see in other community settings until such time as herd immunity has locally squashed the virus.

Vaccines aren’t 100% effective - it decreases your likelihood from exposure 70-90%. If the population was masked previously they were already 70-90% more protected than without any mask/social distancing. The two together means you’re 95+% more protected than with no precautions and no vaccine.

Now remove the masks and the social distancing from the equation. You’ve almost completely wiped out the advantage the vaccine has given you. You’re right back where you were pre-vaccine.

But that’s only the protection from exposure side of the equation. There’s also the likelihood of exposure side of the equation. If we achieve here immunity we will be 90% less likely to be exposed. At that point the difference between masks vs no masks is 1-2% better protection. That’s when they come off and we all go back to whatever normal is now called.


The criteria should be reduced spread, not vaccination.
by ndroman21  (2021-04-15 16:10:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The former should naturally follow the latter, of course, but why set criteria based on something that should happen rather than what is happening?

I suspect that by fall, the mask requirement will be able to be dropped based on greatly reduced spread.

Ongoing surveillance testing seems prudent for awhile.



Instead of a snarky reply
by Otter  (2021-04-15 15:55:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I'll offer actual thoughts.

Maybe their stance is that it will be easier to relax requirements in August vs ramping them back up?

Maybe they're thinking if they tell students that the masks and testing are out once they are vaccinated, it will paint them into a corner if for some reason the vaccines become less effective or variants overrun the vaccinated?

It certainly needs some clarification.


That's the only reasoning which makes any sense to me *
by ufl  (2021-04-15 16:42:23)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post