I agree its not a good formula, but how much longer do u go?

They have tried science, reason, carrots, anger, mandates, pleads. Nothing else has worked.

At some point enough is enough.

Its like dealing with my 6 year old when I tell her to pick up her clothes. I ask her nicely, she doesnt do it. I beg her, she doesnt do it. I tell her it helps out the family, she doesnt do it. I tell her other kids do it, she doesnt care. I offer her treats, she doesnt do it. I yell, she doesnt do it.

Now, I would never just give up and mock or shame her, but she is a child. She isnt an adult, supposedly a part of society.