My son is currently a freshman on a D1 team. Opening day is next Friday (Feb 15th) which is crazy. He went through the recruiting process and weighing offers. Most of his offers were private schools. He wanted nothing more than to be offered by ND. He camped there. I attended the three day camp with him. This was probably the 5th camp he attended. (Others were Davidson, St. Joe's, Villanova and Bucknell.) He was also at a few showcases and had conversations with some ACC schools and schools from the Big South. Through all of it, the ND showcase was the most disorganized event we attended. I understand it's a money maker to help pay assistant coaches. There were 150 kids at the camp. With that there were 60 pitchers. Of the 60 pitchers, only 10 broke 80MPH!!! Kids were from all over the country but I came away not impressed with the quality of attendees. The camp was not very well run with a lot of time just standing around. My son did receive some standard information emails from ND baseball for a while. He did email the coaches asking for an evaluation and if there was any interest. He did this with any school he had interest in and who saw him play. He reached out to many schools and got replies from every school, except ND. (Duke coach said he was ACC talent but they already filled his position.)
He narrowed it down to two schools at the end. One school had a 50% baseball scholarship and tiered with a 25% academic scholarship. The other had a 50% baseball scholarship but could not combine it with anything else. Of course, he chose the one that left me on the hook for the other 50%. No regrets. He loves it. He has opportunities to contribute this year. It's close to home so we will get to see him play.
Two other local kids still in HS have committed to Kentucky and Vandy. The kid going to Kentucky comes from a family of ND fans. They make a football game every year. Smart kid. Family would always be seen in ND gear. These days, they are in Kentucky blue.
Kid would’ve crawled to ND. National class infielder with dozens of offers. 50 schools on his list all in constant communication except ND.
I can’t speak to their geographic bias or lack thereof. But in our experience, ND baseball was the most poorly run recruiting outfit from crappy camps, to emails and phone calls, to on campus visits. Ultimately it was just too lame and son went elsewhere.
I can't find the article off-hand, but he apparently revised the entire program on both sides of the spectrum from blowing away recruits to blowing away grizzled NFL scouts coming to junior/senior day combines. Alabama was in the doldrums between Stallings until Saban, has marginal regional recruiting advantages compared to Southern Cal, LSU, UGA, etc, but he has made them a machine, and I think ND could easily do the same across all sports with the right mindset
Offerings for the surrounding state residents...allows them to combine athletic and academic aid to fairly easily get to near full ride...ND puts itself at competitive disadvantage in this regard...they're 50% scholarship still leaves families on the hook for $35k/ yr
The value of that is huge, especially in comparison to an out-of-state kid going to Louisville, or similar....meaning out-of-state when viewed from Kentucky. The degree might mean more in-state, but in Ohio it doesn't mean a lot while a ND degree is powerful anywhere you go.
Now, certainly not every family can swing 35K per year, but overall the value of the offer is significant at that level.
but not everyone, especially elite athlete types look at it that way...especially given where the program currently resides
program going now. Preseason #1, won a Natty recently. They are every bit as expensive as ND, now granted they are in a better weather situation, but academics and cost of attendance is about the same.
Up until 15 yrs ago Vandy was a nothing program at the same time ND was a top 10-15 program. They got the right coach and institutional support...Vandy also has much better financial aid program and I'd bet that most on their roster are getting substantial aid...Vandy like ND, is a private institution and can do whatever they want w financial aid...if ND wanted to they could...but they don't so they won't
or Florida still have to pay the 35k? From a strictly talent standpoint does it make sense to recruit more regionally? Penn State has the same problem with their baseball team in my view. They cast a wide national net when there is abundant talent in the surrounding states. Trying to convince warm weather kids to attend a northern baseball school doesn't make much sense to me. It would seem that the local schools would have a huge advantage in this regard.
I just think we would be more successful recruiting kids from Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, etc. From a purely recruiting standpoint does this make sense?
It's very possible that a can't miss kid from California or Texas is given more of an athletic scholarship while the local kid gets more of an academic scholarship.
My mind is fuzzy on this but I could have sworn I read years ago that after a year on campus, the athlete is considered a resident of the state and then can get the state discount.
I know this is the first time I've ever heard of them taking jucos...the other thing that goes against them is comparatively shitty facility; I've been to many college venues over the past couple yrs and considering the resources ND has, the facility is a joke...it's not just recruiting, it's a total program commitment issue