Star/Class Breakdown of the likely starting 24 in 2018

Star/Class Breakdown of the likely starting 24 in 2018
by SEE (2018-01-17 14:11:35)

> The cutoff for a championship team is 55% starting 4-5 stars (can't remember who did this.) ND will be at 82% going by Rivals.
> The entire starting defense (assuming Bilal gets the start) will be upperclassmen. All but two on offense.
> I don't have the data on number of starts, but I bet that would be very high.

Wimbush 4 +
Williams 4 +
Claypool 4 +
Boykin 4 +
Young 3 -
Mack 4 +
Eichenberg 4 +
Kraemer 4 +
Mustipher 4 +
Bars 4 +
Hainsey 4 -

Hayes 4 +
Hayes 4 +
Tiller 4 +
Bonner 3 +
Tranquil 3 +
Coney 4 +
Bilal 4 +
Love 4 +
Watkins/Pride 4/4 ++
Coleman 3 +
Elliott 4 +

It comes down to coaching.

Replies:

But we have a 2-star head coach. * - guinness1940 2018-01-18 23:10:11
Lets try this - Cliff Claven 2018-01-18 13:43:04
It's even better than what you posted. - serious 2018-01-18 11:45:22
Star ratings are useless once the players get to college - Jvan 2018-01-18 11:00:34
- Star ratings correlate highly with NFL draft placement - beattherush 2018-01-18 22:12:43
- Is this really true? - Ty Webb 2018-01-18 13:18:26
  - It’s more than a coincidence - Jvan 2018-01-18 13:55:13
    - I agree with the culture part of it - vivaflanner 2018-01-18 14:06:00
      - Institutional leadership is a factor - Jvan 2018-01-18 14:47:04
  - Recruiting doesn't explain why we're shut out of the playoff - tdiddy07 2018-01-18 13:52:24
  - Regarding the last paragraph, - Saxattack29 2018-01-18 13:46:02
- The improbability of that is astounding. - tdiddy07 2018-01-18 12:02:03
  - You are exactly correct - WilfordBrimley 2018-01-19 22:31:37
  - Completely agree... - dulacshakur 2018-01-18 17:12:32
  - “Wimbush had Alabama and OSU offers” - ACross 2018-01-18 13:23:05
    - Not sure about Bama, but OSU certainly coveted Wimbush - YinzKeenanVisor 2018-01-18 14:59:50
      - coveted Wimbush - skanman 2018-01-18 15:30:01
- Do you think recruiting rankings aren't important? - irishaddict 2018-01-18 11:25:21
- apparently, Wimbush is a 4+ star - ACross 2018-01-18 11:10:24
  - Wimbush was ranked in the top 100 by every service * - irishaddict 2018-01-18 11:21:26
    - 4+? F. * - ACross 2018-01-18 11:54:00
      - So, not a 3-star. * - irishaddict 2018-01-18 12:49:50
        The transparent purpose of “4+” - captaineclectic 2018-01-18 17:43:49
        I was responding to the notion that Wimbush was a 3 star * - irishaddict 2018-01-18 20:07:09
- Is the underachieving a general problem or a Kelly problem? - Saxattack29 2018-01-18 11:07:22
  - Kelly needs to recruit better - Elgreco89 2018-01-18 11:52:01
As noted below it’s % of signees, not starters - Elgreco89 2018-01-18 10:23:09
So ND is playoff bound and 11-1 in regular season. Got it. * - Dillon301 2018-01-18 09:18:30
- I think he's suggesting there's no excuse to under-perform - NJDoubleDomer 2018-01-18 09:34:33
  - Good. I'm glad 2018 is finally the no excuses year - Chuck84 2018-01-18 10:08:23
    - It is, but only until a valid excuse emerges - garbageplate 2018-01-18 10:17:51
      - Absolutely right - Chuck84 2018-01-18 10:20:10
        You're sure you can judge a coach after only 11 seasons? * - Saxattack29 2018-01-18 10:31:43
  - Hey now, there's always an excuse for underperformance. - Saxattack29 2018-01-18 09:54:18
  - He also misrepresents the ratings of our recruits * - ACross 2018-01-18 09:45:38
Kelly's recruiting has been unacceptable as has his coaching * - JTB_ND01 2018-01-18 06:55:04
- agree/disagree - irishrock 2018-01-18 09:45:04
"It comes down to coaching." - Saxattack29 2018-01-17 22:03:25
- But Jack says that "To really build a program - jbrown_9999 2018-01-17 22:15:05
  - And the coats of paint. Don't forget the paint. - 2ndstreeter 2018-01-18 08:27:58
  - ..for Sally 10-3 makes 7-6 next year acceptable. * - cj 2018-01-17 23:22:07
    - Well CJ, Sally looks at varying metrics in that two-year - irishintheville 2018-01-18 08:23:39
      - "swarbrick gave examples of Kelly standing up in front of - cj 2018-01-18 11:11:14
        Maybe the bus was stuck in traffic. * - SWPaDem 2018-01-18 11:45:56
      - There is no place for the metric system at ND or in America. - SWPaDem 2018-01-18 09:49:53
Notre Dame had more talent than Alabama - RJD 2018-01-17 17:49:57
- Alabama has had 7 straight #1 classes - Final_Flanner 2018-01-17 19:11:57
  - Unless they are quietly ushered off the team... * - DakotaDomer 2018-01-18 10:44:38
  - Why is Final_Flanner aloud to post here?!? * - Porpoiseboy 2018-01-17 19:50:27
    - Russian bots * - Final_Flanner 2018-01-17 21:32:14
      - I always suspected you were really Окончательный фланец - ShermanOaksND 2018-01-17 21:52:36
  - Yikes---not only have all 7 of those Bama classes - ShermanOaksND 2018-01-17 19:17:27
Are you imbibing the secret sauce again? - arch_moore 2018-01-17 17:38:48
On the subject of optimism .. - TWO 2018-01-17 17:02:02
- Is it optimism? - SEE 2018-01-17 18:00:51
spare the bullshit spin - ACross 2018-01-17 15:54:51
- Better yet - IrishRed 2018-01-17 16:12:45
I’m pretty sure that it 55% of the roster, - Catdog2 2018-01-17 15:13:02
- Here's a link to the latest article on the topic. - irishaddict 2018-01-17 15:33:28
  - Ah, signees vs. starters * - SEE 2018-01-17 16:02:18
    - Duh * - DakotaDomer 2018-01-17 16:57:30
      - That’s uh duh * - SEE 2018-01-17 17:46:20
You misspelled Book. - 84david 2018-01-17 15:10:56
I don't expect to see Coleman again.... * - Wolfetone 2018-01-17 14:42:29
- There will definitely be competiton there. Same for Elliot's - SEE 2018-01-17 14:59:05
I don't see any 5 star players on the list. - HoundDog1973 2018-01-17 14:32:17
- Did OSU have any? - SEE 2018-01-17 14:44:21
  - But they have a 5 star coach - NJND96 2018-01-18 07:52:37
  - So you agree we dont have "difference makers"? - goldhelmethead 2018-01-17 14:54:34
    - We have potential difference makers - SEE 2018-01-17 18:03:26
      - potential difference maker is 4* - 84david 2018-01-18 13:56:22
      - Our Defense has proven difference makers returning. - goldhelmethead 2018-01-18 08:07:59
  - I don't know about OSU, although they were not in the - HoundDog1973 2018-01-17 14:51:13
    - Their 2014 title team. I think Clemson had one - SEE 2018-01-17 14:54:00
      - They had at least 4 more: Hyatt/Wilkins/Lawrence/Cain * - Hanratty5ND 2018-01-17 15:24:39
  - Per this link OSU had 6 Five star players in their 2017 - 1978Irish 2018-01-17 14:50:16
    - Starters on their 2014 title team? * - SEE 2018-01-17 14:53:21
      - OSU Rivals Rankings - 1978Irish 2018-01-17 15:27:26
      - Quite a few in the top 50 overall, including many 5-stars. - SavageDragon 2018-01-17 15:11:56
      - The larger ? is why doesn't ND attract 5-star talent ? * - Wolfetone 2018-01-17 14:58:55
        Starters - skanman 2018-01-17 15:27:19
        Yes we have such fine upstanding citizens... - Wolfetone 2018-01-17 16:00:22
        We have been off NCAA probation for almost 2 months!!! * - cj 2018-01-17 23:25:49
        This is the question. I think there are two reasons. - HoundDog1973 2018-01-17 15:25:36
        Well said. * - SorinBasement 2018-01-18 10:58:12
        Reasonable...thx.... * - Wolfetone 2018-01-17 16:02:48