New kickoff rule approved (link)
by El Kabong (2018-04-14 08:39:43)

Anyone have more info on the blocking below the waist rules?
by UpperEastSideIrish  (2018-04-16 17:19:21)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I actually think it's something that needs to be in the game. It not only helps teams that run the option (I know a lot of folks dog Navy for chopping our guys), but O-Lineman need to do it on quick pass plays, and I think Receivers should be allowed to do it downfield.

I like that they want to keep the blocks in front, but I think that they are usually in front anyway (the block in the video below was rightfully a personal foul). But limiting it to 5 yards down field (that's my understanding as to one of the changes) is going to have consequences for how the game is taught to guys in the slot and on WRs. You're going to see corners shedding a lot more blocks and getting to the line. Perhaps that's a fair price for safety, but I'd really like to see what they have written here.


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by G.K.Chesterton  (2018-04-14 16:58:21)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


I'd rather see make it/take it...and losers walk *
by irishrock  (2018-04-14 12:31:49)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


I feel like the kickoff is what separates a game from a
by athlete37  (2018-04-14 11:36:06)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

scrimmage. That being said, I wouldn't want to be on a kickoff unit


I don't see much use in it
by jt  (2018-04-14 11:54:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I think the idea of giving the team that scored the option of trying to convert a 20 plus yard play from the spot where you would normally kickoff or just give the other team the ball at the 25 would make the game more interesting and cut down on injuries. Failing that, changing the kickoff from a free kick to a punt would also be a better idea.


If the goal is to reduce injuries, just eliminate the
by HoundDog1973  (2018-04-14 11:20:06)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

kickoff altogether. That seems to be the natural end to the constant evolution of these rule changes. It would take away one of the most exciting plays in the game, but it would certainly reduce injuries.


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by ND8486  (2018-04-14 14:17:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


what makes it dangerous is the free kick aspect
by jt  (2018-04-14 13:32:49)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

guys get to sprint downfield unblocked for 60 yards and then run into another guy at full speed.

Make it a punt and you would still have the big play potential.


The beauty of this rule is that BK wouldn't have to spend
by SWPaDem  (2018-04-14 09:21:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

one second of precious practice time on kickoff returns. Air Kelly, here we come!!!

This could also usher in the Era of the Fair Catch on Kickoffs Specialist to add to the list of other specialists including kicking, punt centering, and pooch punting. It could possibly even lead to another specialty, i.e., the line-drive, knuckleball, kickoff specialist. Cliff Brown, where are you?


“Other changes approved include a package....
by guilfordnd  (2018-04-14 09:00:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

.....of rules regarding blocking below the waist.”

(Stares at Navy)


it's no fair! They cut block! And they run the VEER! *
by jt  (2018-04-14 11:52:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


what that guy did has nothing to do with the game of footbal
by irishrock  (2018-04-14 12:33:50)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

it was clearly a malicious block with the intent to injure. I love your smart arse comments...a lot. But I've got to think that you'd be really embarrassed if you were the coach and that was one of your players or even worse that was your son who did that and it was caught on national tv.


what are we talking about here?
by jt  (2018-04-14 12:36:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I thought I was referring to Navy's use of the cut block (which is still legal, by the way).

Is there a particular play or player that you're referring to?

Yes, I do think that cheap shots happen in football games. I also don't think cut blocking is a cheap shot, in and of itself. I also think that a fundamentally sound defensive team can defeat cut blocks relatively easily.


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by Smokin_Clover  (2018-04-14 13:38:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


that was a dumb play to link
by jt  (2018-04-14 14:58:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

that type of block has been illegal pretty much forever.


I was using it as an......
by guilfordnd  (2018-04-15 10:55:49)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Exaggerated example. No shit that play is illegal. It’s called sarcasm.


how would you propose that the rules committee deals
by jt  (2018-04-15 11:01:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

with that play?

Declare that it is now "SUPER illegal" and access another penalty?

Cut blocking is not some unfair advantage or anything silly like that.


The punishment for it would be...
by guilfordnd  (2018-04-15 11:52:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Having to spend a day with you.


I can see how that would be a problem for you
by jt  (2018-04-15 14:33:02)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I tend to not get along well with whiners.


read the guy's post and watch the youtube
by irishrock  (2018-04-14 13:34:16)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

it was the Blaton hit...I don't think any football guy could condone it (except for Jeff City's coach who would pull shit like that in high school...hoping for a response so the responder would get kicked out of the game)


that's not a cut block, that's a clip
by jt  (2018-04-14 14:58:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

and yeah, that's still illegal.

I'm not in favor of making that a legal block. I would say that for the most part when the fanboys whine about playing Navy (it's their Super Bowl, we can't play them over midterms, we can't play them after or before a tough game, their style is so hard to prepare for, the veer!, cut blocks) they're not referring to clips like the one posted (which is an obvious foul) but rather the OL firing off at our DL's knees/ankles to try and cut block (which is legal).

The only issue I have with cut blocks is when it comes from the side, at least a whole man over (not from a shade). That should be illegal and is very dangerous, IMO.


How is that a clip?
by vitadulcedospes  (2018-04-15 07:10:33)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The contact is not from behind.


My only criticism of Navy is the type of mindset that
by irishrock  (2018-04-14 19:29:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

makes that play okay in their coaches minds. Like I said, I'd be embarrassed if that was a player of mine or my son.


I don't think that play is okay in their coaches minds
by jt  (2018-04-14 21:51:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I think that is and pretty much has been for years a dirty block. I would imagine that they would acknowledge that. I honestly don't recall too many of those types of illegal blocks over the years. I might be mistaken. If we find that they do that shit all the time and they haven't been disciplined and we keep them on the schedule, truthfully that's on us.

Now, do they fire off and cut in the clipping zone (legal)? Yes. Does your defense need to be ready for that? Absolutely. Should a fundamentally sound defense stop that type of block with relative ease? Yes.


I don't know how much effect on Navy it will have
by GoDomers  (2018-04-14 10:45:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Text: "The panel approved a package of rules with the goal of making it easier for players, coaches and officials to understand, execute and coach blocking below the waist.

The most noticeable change pertains to offensive blocks: The offense will not be allowed to block below the waist when the block occurs more than 5 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. Additionally, other than the interior linemen, all blocks below the waist must be from the front."

Looks like their OL can still low block our DL inside 5 yards from the LOS


the most fun blocks back in the day
by jt  (2018-04-14 11:55:40)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

were when we could run a middle screen and the LB would get to their drops anticipating pass and then the OL could release and get downfield and cut. That was a lot of fun (for an OL, anyway. I don't think the LB liked it much).


an inadvertent hit to the head gets you kicked out
by irishrock  (2018-04-14 09:46:19)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Looking at you Stephon Tuitt refs...but this guy only got a 15 harder and continued to play. But I blame the Navy coach for allowing that to occur. (and this is not one of those "don't cut block my lads" post...that play has NOTHING to do with playing good hard nosed football)


Eventually this will be changed like the intentional...
by Kbyrnes  (2018-04-14 08:50:47)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

...walk rule in baseball. No need to fair catch--just indicate you wish to do it, and the ball will be marked at a yard line commensurate with where it first hits the ground on the kick. Or just have the team "receiving" start on their own 25; for, if the concern is that there is an inordinate level of injury on kickoffs, why use half measures?


This preserves the onside kick (both expected and surprise)
by Father Nieuwland  (2018-04-14 11:51:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I would evaluate to see if kickoff injuries are reduced after this measure before eliminating kickoffs altogether