When
by HTownND (2018-10-15 18:04:23)

Will our dogshit special teams bite us in the ass? During the remainder of the regular season or after?

When's the last time we've allowed two return TDs in the span of 7 games?

I thought only assholes like ringless Bo let stuff like that happen.


When
by SENDAVOLLEY  (2018-10-17 15:26:42)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I can't when.


Or Ara? *
by Rosecrea  (2018-10-16 13:41:53)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


4,000 men on campus- not one can kick it out of the endzone?
by Father Nieuwland  (2018-10-15 22:53:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Wimps.

Back in my days at ND, every guy could line up and kick it out of the end zone

Well, except for the guys from Zahm.


But many are qualified to be squib kicking specialists *
by 2020  (2018-10-16 08:37:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Pretty sure you already answered your question
by DakotaDomer  (2018-10-15 21:10:25)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

At least twice, as you said


If you worry you suffer twice
by alleghenyirish  (2018-10-15 19:57:16)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Maybe, for no reason, the opposite happens, have you ever thought of that!


I’m not worried
by HTownND  (2018-10-15 19:58:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Just asking an obvious question


If kicking team would just stay in their lanes. *
by thethinman  (2018-10-15 19:31:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


It sickens me that Kelly blamed the kicker for the TD
by Jvan  (2018-10-15 18:58:07)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Neither Doerer nor Yoon gets it through the end zone even close to 50% of the time. It's like trying to hit a 300 yard drive every time. The contact is not always perfect, and the wind conditions are rarely ideal.

The real issue is that we do not cover and tackle well on these plays. That's on the other ten players and the coaches, but for Kelly to single out the kicker is ludicrous. Anyone who subscribes to that kind of logic is a serious mental defective.


Quick hi-jack: JD Carlson story
by The_Phoenix  (2018-10-16 14:40:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

In the mid 1990's, I was working for a public accounting firm downtown Chicago that hired some MBA students, including at least one from Michigan. We had just moved to a "hoteling" concept for cubes, and I found myself sharing a cube for a day with this Michigan MBA, who was actually quite delightful to speak to.

Naturally, we started talking football. He mentioned that he had been on the team. I wondered if I had ever seen him play, as we were about the same age and my last trip to UM was the famous 2x Rocket kick return game in 1989.

At this point, he became very quiet and told me that his name was JD Carlson. He was the kicker who kicked off to Rocket for the 1st TD. He told me that when he ran back tot he sideline after the play, Bo reamed him out, as if the entire thing was all his fault. I noted that there were 10 other players who didn't make the tackle, and JD shook his head. Bo was certain it was his fault and yanked him from the rest of the game.

The sad pat of this is that JD was really messed up about it. After the few years that had passed, it was still a raw, emotional experience for him, because his coach was a jerk.

Historical note: the 2nd Rocker TD was kicked by Gulam Khan. Who played in 12 games and only had 1 FG attempt, which he missed. Stay classy, Bo!


Loser, asshole coaches have the same player-blaming gene
by Jvan  (2018-10-16 14:45:06)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Interesting story - thanks for posting it.

I can't see Ara or Lou ever blaming the kicker for an opponent's TD return.


And
by HTownND  (2018-10-16 15:42:50)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Those loser assholes tend to be and stay "ringless"


We should have at least 1 burner as a safety on coverage
by Bagimus Maximus  (2018-10-16 10:46:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I never worried about a kickoff coverage when Willie Clark was on the team. He'd run down anyone who got near the 50 yard line.

I'll never forget a game at Penn State when a penn state RB broke through the line at their own 30 with no deep saftey. The crowd roared and then 3 seconds later gasped as Willie Clark ran him down from the other sideline in a span of 25 yards.


Touchbacks don't happen more often than not
by airborneirish  (2018-10-15 23:13:51)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

That's a bizarre criticism from our head coach. See the link.


Was he referring ro directional issues?
by JBrock18  (2018-10-15 23:37:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

That’s the way I read it. Basically, we have a deep kick right on and the kicker is kicking it to the middle. That’s an entirely different criticism then “the kicker isn’t kicking a touchback”. It’s a legitimate criticism of a kicker if that’s what he means.


That's part of the risk of directional kicks.
by tdiddy07  (2018-10-16 09:41:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It's not that easy to kick the shit out of the ball, while also putting it where you want it. The guy has kicked it out of bounds a couple times this year trying to directionally kick. Continuing to rely on a strategy in the face of evidence that it can be done consistently is on the coach.


honestly I didn't read what he said
by airborneirish  (2018-10-15 23:42:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I can see how the kick going to the wrong spot can mess up coverage. That said, I think such a thing should be fixable given the low incidence rate of KO returns. Sounds bush league to blame the kicker on a kick that made it as far as it did.


I think #2 was held pretty badly on that play as well.
by ocmj  (2018-10-16 01:26:57)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Maybe not as obvious as the 10 others but he had some jersey in other photos I've seen.

Link to replay.


If thats what is happening it’s a big issue
by JBrock18  (2018-10-15 23:47:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It definitely screws up coverage. And just by the tone of the quote and by watching our games moreso, you can see ND’s coverage guys have to adjust their path quite a bit. I had a season in college where this happened to us almost all season. We tried two different kickers and both continued to screw up and it really does F up your coverage. It’s almost like golf when you try to align to the right and double cross and hit a big hook. Kickers I think have that occur at least from my experience talking with our one kicker who was a good buddy of mine.


Perfectly summarized
by rockne85  (2018-10-15 23:06:42)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

While I get the GOAL is to create touchbacks each time, it’s just not going to happen 100% of the time. For those times, how about we coach, train, and expect our guys to contain the returner. He makes it sound like it’s either/or: either kick a touchback, or, it’s gonna get run back for a TD. Almost like he deliberately tries to be obtuse and, of course, our crack media just move on to the next softball question.


I wonder if they kick touchbacks in practice?
by JBrock18  (2018-10-15 21:41:43)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It’s what he’s insinuating isn’t it? This brings about some questions. If they do, why don’t they do it in the games? If they do in practice, does it minimize the time the coverage team gets to work on covering kicks? I know when I was playing in college we had about 5 minutes each day during the season practicing kickoff at rapid fire. At times the coaches would have to tell the kicker not to kick it too deep. We also practiced intentional high pooch kicks to the 15 yard line or so. It’s a weak bail out blaming the kicker but I would like to know if they do routinely kick touchbacks in practice but struggle in games. We had a punter in college who was amazing in practice but was awful in games. I wonder if this could be the case at times with Doerr


It has been said he kicks it out of the end zone in
by ocmj  (2018-10-16 01:00:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

practice all the time.


He's always been a player blaming MFer who
by MDDomer  (2018-10-15 19:27:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

won't accept that just maybe his lack of spending any time on STs is the problem. This is by far the biggest reason I can't stand him. He wants to take credit for anything good that happens but places the blame on the players all the time. How about 'we coaches need to do better' you POS


Do you post about the times he does mention the coaches?
by BigNDfan  (2018-10-16 09:01:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Because he's done it multiple times this year already. Probably just flys by your radar.


Bingo *
by ChestnutND  (2018-10-16 01:47:07)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Blaming the players is always low rent.
by daviehamsufferer97  (2018-10-15 19:01:55)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

We might be able to cover a kick-off if you practiced it once in awhile.


You sayin’
by wideright  (2018-10-15 18:48:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Kelly’s not an asshole? Or just one not like ringless Bo?


Kelly really needs to just have Yoon kickoff.
by daviehamsufferer97  (2018-10-15 18:10:20)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

He can consistently kick it out of the endzone, and it makes no sense to me to have Doerer be put into that positon.

I suspect it has to do with arrogance about Kelly's brilliant decision to save Yoon, and refusing to change course once he decides something.


Disagree
by JBrock18  (2018-10-15 21:45:06)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I don’t think he’s trying to be a genius. I actually think he’s trying to give a kid a meaningful role that maybe he isn’t capable of living up to. It’s similar to when he had a player holding for extra points and field goals that probably should not have been doing it.


Did you see what happened on Saturday?
by cujays96  (2018-10-15 18:42:47)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Yoon kicked off and tweaked his leg. That’s enough to give any coach pause.


The answer is not Yoon, it’s called Practice Coverage *
by 2ndstreeter  (2018-10-15 21:11:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Kick placement is absolutely part of the coverage
by JBrock18  (2018-10-15 22:46:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

You practice assignments based on the premise the ball will be kicked to a certain corner or side of the field. Your lane or area assignment can also be based on this. You will also begin your sprint down field with the idea the ball will be kicked deep right for example. When the kicker kicks it to the middle or even left it screws all of this up and can lead to big returns. This is what Kelly is referring to. It absolutely pissed my college coaches off royally when the kicker would not execute the directional kick as planned.


Here's my stupid question.Why not kick away from the runner? *
by ndlp  (2018-10-16 06:14:50)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


You can't play afraid of injuries.
by daviehamsufferer97  (2018-10-15 18:59:55)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

In my opinion, your best players should play until the game is out of hand.


That's fine until Yoon injures himself more than
by MDDomer  (2018-10-15 19:23:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

he already is and sits out the rest of the season. There's a very valid reason that he's not kicking off.


If he’s the better kickoff man he should be doing the job
by JBrock18  (2018-10-15 21:49:19)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

If he can kick a touchback 70% of the time how many times will he have to make a tackle the other 30%? You cannot assume injury for your kicker. They happen of course but sacrificing kickoffs all season because your kicker might have to make a tackle 5 times in a season is ridiculous. It’s an absolute fluke he hurt something non contact last week. He could have done that just as easily kicking a field goal. You’re off base here.


Yoon has had injury issues related to overuse
by NavyJoe  (2018-10-15 23:28:23)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Kickoffs exacerbate the issue according to what I’ve read here and elsewhere. The risk of injury is, apparently, not remote.


If he can’t kickoff I’m not sure how hes expected to kick
by JBrock18  (2018-10-15 23:29:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

long field goals. If he’s injured then he should be treated accordingly and not play. He’s the kicker and seems fine on field goal tries. If he can kickoff better than the alternative he should. I am not sure. Has he been listed on injury reports this season?


Kickoffs are a more dynamic motion apparently
by NavyJoe  (2018-10-15 23:38:50)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

One the posters on here has a son who kicks for a college team. He broke it down in the romper room a few weeks back. Cannot recall his handle.


Perhaps
by JBrock18  (2018-10-15 23:41:46)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I don’t want an injured place kicker kicking field goals though with what is on the line down the stretch now.


Then you don’t want Yoon kicking off.
by MDDomer  (2018-10-16 09:20:51)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

He’s far more valuable kicking field goals and extra points. All you have to do is watch the video of him kicking off on Saturday to see why he isn’t doing it more often.


He doesnt kick off becuase he could get hurt kicking off?
by JBrock18  (2018-10-16 12:37:23)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Or does he not kick off because he already is hurt? Those are two entirely different things. If you or Kelly or anyone else says it’s the former I call complete BS.


He was hurt in the past because he did both.
by cujays96  (2018-10-16 13:12:43)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

That’s why he’s not doing both now.

And the problem is not the kicker other than kicks going out of bounds. Kick coverage is the issue.


As explained directional kicking ia part of that
by JBrock18  (2018-10-16 14:19:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Both deficiencies can be true. As a former player who played collegiately and covered kickoffs for 3 seasons I can tell you that the kicker placing the ball where it is planned in the sideline or field huddle is just as important as staying in lanes and defeating blocks. In fact lane assignment is based on it. Kelly saying the kickers aren’t kicking the ball where they are supposed to is entirely different than bitching that they aren’t consistently kicking touchbacks. Get it?


You’ve changed the conversation. *
by cujays96  (2018-10-16 19:43:15)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post