Is this the time where the NFL rule gets challenged?

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What if athletes just dropped out of school for internships - MistakenD 2019-01-09 17:12:37
Perhaps, but I think the rule protects these kids. - cards86 2019-01-09 16:29:55
- This is laughably offensive paternalism - KeoughCharles05 2019-01-10 10:09:22
  - Oh come on - ndtnguy 2019-01-10 14:04:10
    - Generally - KeoughCharles05 2019-01-10 16:03:56
      - And selling organs. - tdiddy07 2019-01-10 16:17:21
  - Yeah, getting a 350k scholarship to ND - Cards86 2019-01-10 10:27:19
    - As I said - KeoughCharles05 2019-01-10 10:57:50
      - Fair point * - Cards86 2019-01-10 12:45:36
        I'd like to commend you for your participation here. - potatohouse 2019-01-10 13:56:30
        Eschew "take" as a noun. - Irish Tool 2019-01-10 15:18:21
        F. - potatohouse 2019-01-10 17:01:08
        And you yours * - Cards86 2019-01-10 14:20:46
      - Basketball has plenty of lucrative alternatives - smithwick 2019-01-10 12:11:32
        basketball is only one year compared to 3 (for the most part - jt 2019-01-10 13:56:45
        Makes sense to me. * - smithwick 2019-01-10 17:49:59
    - does it cost ND 350k per kid? - jt 2019-01-10 10:35:14
      - Yes * - 84david 2019-01-10 11:43:38
      - That's the market value. - tdiddy07 2019-01-10 11:21:54
        And that’s only the tangible market value of the college - smithwick 2019-01-10 12:19:46
        It's certainly relevant - jt 2019-01-10 11:26:29
        That tuition is the sticker cost, not ND's marginal cost. - tdiddy07 2019-01-10 11:28:44
        The sticker cost of tuition is about as relevant - KeoughCharles05 2019-01-10 12:54:03
        To an 18 year old making $200k in endorsement deals - tdiddy07 2019-01-10 13:58:00
        it's actually not - jt 2019-01-10 14:08:05
        the tuition presumes that is what it would cost the player - jt 2019-01-10 11:32:28
        In your example, the player got an NFL paycheck - tdiddy07 2019-01-10 12:32:39
        The value of an ND degree is in the millions over - 84david 2019-01-10 11:48:54
        maybe, maybe not - jt 2019-01-10 12:27:58
- Paying the kids is better protection * - nd2011 2019-01-09 21:21:41
- you think that this rule is to protect the kids? - jt 2019-01-09 16:41:09
  - I agree with you that it does protect other interests. - cards86 2019-01-09 16:42:51
    - It actually does the opposite. You're making a kid stay - MistakenD 2019-01-09 17:28:41
      - We'll agree to disagree. The notion that they play for free - cards86 2019-01-09 18:04:17
        here's a shocking statement that you might want to consider - jt 2019-01-09 18:08:04
        There's a flip side to your point though too. - Tex Francisco 2019-01-09 19:53:47
        I would suggest there would be a large number of minor teams - OITLinebacker 2019-01-10 08:52:28
        The pay in Minor Leagues (Baseball, Basketball, Hockey) - TheRC 2019-01-10 09:00:34
        let the market decide - jt 2019-01-09 21:56:57
        NCAA FB is the NFL's developmental league... - NavyJoe 2019-01-09 20:04:27
        Again, I agree. Answer me this - - cards86 2019-01-09 18:17:54
        how many players are able to play MLB or NBA - jt 2019-01-09 21:59:16
        Seems very reasonable * - cards86 2019-01-10 09:35:50
        How do you regulate this? - Pat85 2019-01-10 04:12:44
        the same way we regulate it for child actors, move stars - jt 2019-01-10 10:21:28
Lawrence deserves to be paid now - nd2011 2019-01-09 16:24:05
- Both Lawrence and Tua would go high in the draft - cards86 2019-01-09 16:41:08
Hey kids! Stay in school! * - Porpoiseboy 2019-01-09 14:51:25
- and Don't buy drugs - DomerSPI 2019-01-09 18:46:17
Where was this talk on December 2nd when - Steelhop 2019-01-09 14:47:30
- 12-13. - jakam31 2019-01-09 17:42:18
- If Lawrence could leave, he's be overall #1 this year - eddysorin 2019-01-09 15:28:59
  - Tua would have been #1 after last year's game - Steelhop 2019-01-09 17:04:31
  - I heard some sportztalk guys wondering if teams would draft - rockmcd 2019-01-09 16:34:29
    - Risky if the team doesn’t sign him. - MobileIrish 2019-01-09 16:40:17
      - I don't think that's even an option. - rockmcd 2019-01-09 21:04:43
        I was just speculating without facts. - MobileIrish 2019-01-09 21:21:28
- I concur on "It's too early". - Irishwest 2019-01-09 15:11:48
David vs. 3 Goliaths - eddysorin 2019-01-09 13:47:48
- Playing devil’s advocate on number 1, - smithwick 2019-01-09 17:04:48
Doesn't the collectively-bargained aspect "protect" the NFL? * - ndzippy 2019-01-09 13:39:07
- Yes - ratinatux 2019-01-09 15:24:07
- See below (link) - KeoughCharles05 2019-01-09 13:48:06
  - Interesting. I was unaware. * - ndzippy 2019-01-09 14:25:17
Yount, LeBron, and Kobe all went to the bigs. - G.K.Chesterton 2019-01-09 13:06:09
- Age isn't a protected class until you're over 40 * - fontoknow 2019-01-09 13:07:29
the changes could be so simple - jt 2019-01-09 12:32:34
- One issue that I see - bmoreirish 2019-01-09 13:13:48
  - Ed McCaffrey is trying to change that - Mossman 2019-01-09 16:12:01
    - we'll see if Ed puts his money where his mouth is - jt 2019-01-09 16:31:35
  - I've always viewed college football as the minors. * - EricCartman 2019-01-09 13:20:10
    - most people do * - jt 2019-01-09 13:40:02
      - I'll take Jay Bilas's view on NCAA hoops. - 84david 2019-01-09 15:30:17
- Completely agree. * - KeoughCharles05 2019-01-09 13:12:19
- How do you do number 1 in a way that limits abuse? - manofdillon 2019-01-09 12:55:21
  - Set a "market rate" for the type of advertising * - El Kabong 2019-01-09 14:29:33
    - does the NCAA set a market rate for advertising during - jt 2019-01-09 15:12:06
      - what I'm basically getting at, El K - jt 2019-01-09 15:58:37
  - what's to stop a "bag man" from giving you 1 million to put - jt 2019-01-09 13:00:27
    - Because in the real world, there's typically a tie - manofdillon 2019-01-09 14:13:50
      - how is that "fundamentally different?" - jt 2019-01-09 15:11:13
        I don't know how else to spell it out. - manofdillon 2019-01-09 18:11:31
        yeah, basically you want to control what someone can earn - jt 2019-01-09 22:03:39
        I want to say you can't bribe kids to come to your school - manofdillon 2019-01-10 10:17:50
        I don't know how else to explain this to you - jt 2019-01-10 10:31:58
        Comparing sports to acting or music seems flawed. - smithwick 2019-01-10 12:06:26
        maybe we shouldn't have a salary cap - jt 2019-01-10 12:29:44
    - It was bs that Samardzjia got paid so much by the Cubs - irishrock 2019-01-09 13:11:16
      - I doubt it because they didn't play two sports like he did - btd 2019-01-09 20:30:18
Before that happens - bmoreirish 2019-01-09 12:30:59
- Didn't Clarett challenge and then sit out? * - tdiddy07 2019-01-09 15:41:47
- Or, sitting out once eliminated from CFP contention. * - Irish Tool 2019-01-09 14:54:03
- This ^^^^^^^^^ * - eddysorin 2019-01-09 13:19:21
If they stay in college - drmurray 2019-01-09 12:24:34
- Are you assuming that would change in the NFL? * - xChicagoIrish 2019-01-09 12:35:12
  - 20 hour rule looms large in this analysis. * - Irish Tool 2019-01-09 13:07:43
Leave it as is. * - SB Jimbo 2019-01-09 12:22:43
I don't know about Ross, but Lawrence made it pretty clear.. - Marine Domer 2019-01-09 12:17:01
- He hesitated pretty good before he said that. - KeoughCharles05 2019-01-09 13:11:23
- Of course he said that - DomerSPI 2019-01-09 12:44:12
- We get to play Ross and Lawrence in 2020. That'll be fun. * - mocopdx 2019-01-09 12:19:05
Selfishly, as a fan, I like the rule the way it is. - rockmcd 2019-01-09 12:00:55
Is the rule part of the collective bargaining agreement - jbrown_9999 2019-01-09 11:43:54
- No. - KeoughCharles05 2019-01-09 11:53:27
  - Interesting - I thought it was. * - eddysorin 2019-01-09 13:17:10
    - Well, the court's holding is essentially that it implicitly - ratinatux 2019-01-09 15:22:56
I don't believe either of these two will challenge the rule - Jvan 2019-01-09 11:40:49
- So what you are saying is... - graNDfan 2019-01-09 12:52:58
It's already been unsuccessfully challenged in the past. - rockmcd 2019-01-09 11:24:54
- A new lawsuit in the Second Circuit would be futile - manofdillon 2019-01-09 12:09:55
  - Interestingly, Sotomayor wrote the 2nd Circuit Opinion - ratinatux 2019-01-09 15:04:19
    - Her wise Latina experience doesn't extend - KeoughCharles05 2019-01-09 15:26:50
      - Well, S. Ct. rejected cert too... - ratinatux 2019-01-09 15:48:51
        Yeah, without a circuit split, I'd expect that on a case - KeoughCharles05 2019-01-09 16:19:20
The rule is junk - KeoughCharles05 2019-01-09 11:16:58
- Is class action an option here? - baloo88 2019-01-09 14:53:38
- The last person to challenge it was Clarett. * - cujays96 2019-01-09 11:23:08
  - Yep. With Mike Williams (USC receiver) * - eddysorin 2019-01-09 13:09:52