I've been saying this about the Rocket for years. Two things
by Dillon76 (2019-01-11 09:52:19)
Edited on 2019-01-11 09:53:02

I will always be pissed about: what happened to the Rocket and what happened to the 1993 ND FB team.


IIRC, $248,000 was the average marketing major's starting
by harv79pangborn  (2019-01-11 11:34:34)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

salary for ND graduating class of 1991.....due to Rocket being there. Also, IIRC Ty Detmer went on to throw 5 (five) interceptions in the bowl game after receiving the Heisman Trophy Award!


I didn't realize he missed the '90 Stanford game
by bluengold07  (2019-01-11 10:07:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Lou Somogyi mentioned this on their latest podcast - Their three losses in '90

- Stanford, which Rocket missed and Watters fumbled two punts
- Penn State, which he played in the first half with ND up 21-7, got hurt and ND lost 24-21
- Colorado, where his punt return to win the game was called back because of a horseshit flag.

Amazing.


They also beat teams that finished 3, 7, 8, 16, 20 in the
by Carlos Huerta  (2019-01-11 10:25:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

country, three of those wins coming on the road. As heartbreaking as those losses were I'd take a season like '90 over '18 every time. This year we were two wins away from a title with very little reason to think we could pull it off, in '90 we were three wins away with every reason to think we could do it.


I would say inches away in 1990.
by MobileIrish  (2019-01-11 10:51:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Good point. The pass at the end of the Stanford game was SO close. PSU was a very close ending. We all know how close the Orange.Bowl was.


The Stanford pass was perfect and was a massive choke
by btd  (2019-01-12 20:37:37)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

and drop by Brown. It wasn't close. It was flat out a drop.


Kelly's teams are a million miles away from those teams
by irishrock  (2019-01-11 10:43:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

in the late 80's and early 90's.


Those teams were smash-mouth, don't take no sh-t from anyone
by Dillon76  (2019-01-11 10:54:31)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

type teams. Kelly's teams are more finesse teams which probably explains the blowouts when they play teams like tOSU, Bama and Clemson.


BK has sent some 59 players to the NFL
by irishrock  (2019-01-11 10:59:32)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

at least that's according to a former Irish player from that era who I had a discussion with yesterday. He's from Moff's era and is not a fan of Kelly. He agreed with my take that ND's a really good bully against teams that don't match up with ND's talent. But once they play a team that is remotely close talent wise...it's a strong possibility that ND will lose and likely be blown out because of coaching.


Rickey Watters
by jt  (2019-01-11 10:12:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

all you can do is shake your head.


Exactly. The breaks were beating the boys that day.
by Dillon76  (2019-01-11 11:44:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


I think it was the wind. *
by irishhawk49  (2019-01-11 12:26:15)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


He's a dropper. [v]
by cujays96  (2019-01-11 10:24:20)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


I agree Rocket should have been in the college HOF years
by jt  (2019-01-11 09:58:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

ago. To be honest, I'm stunned that he wasn't and I can't imagine why anyone would take the place seriously.

That said, going to the CFL hurt Rocket a lot more from a notoriety perspective than losing the Heisman to Detmer. I think Terence is barking up the wrong tree here.


I disagree.
by NDMike2001  (2019-01-11 13:32:07)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The Heisman trophy is one of the most prestigious awards around and nobody can ever take that away from you. Well, unless you went to USC apparently!

NFL notoriety, popularity and marketing is largely dependent on your success in the league. And while Rocket eventually had a nice career in the NFL, it was a slow start and he very well may have been labeled a bust.

The CFL (along with the John Candy, Wayne Gretzky, etc connection) helped continue Rocket's mystique without the pressure of being an NFL franchise player. It probably helped him grow into being a WR at the professional level - something he probably wasn't prepared to do coming from Holtz's offense.

Regardless, getting screwed out of the Heisman (and the branding and money lost from it) is entirely a separate issue from his subsequent career choices.


“No one can ever take that away from you”
by captaineclectic  (2019-01-11 14:49:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Unless you’re Reggie Bush.


They didn’t really take it away from him. They allowed him
by 1NDGal  (2019-01-11 21:06:56)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

to return the trophy at his leisure.

The initial ruling was to demand it back. USC got that changed.

Decision came down September 2010. Reggie gave it back in August 2012.


hey man, you can't put Frank Sinatra lyrics in the subject
by jt  (2019-01-11 18:03:17)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

line.

Pretty soon this place will be overflowing with WOPS and other undesirables.


You realize I referenced that right?
by NDMike2001  (2019-01-11 16:27:34)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

And OJ.


there's an upside to not winning a Heisman
by irishrock  (2019-01-11 10:42:48)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

and that's not having to film stupid Nissan commercials at the "Heisman House" where you'd get to hang out with notable Heisman winners like Gino Toretta, Jason White, OJ Simpson, and Ty Detmer.

It used to be a cool award but when guys like Detmer and Andre Ware starting winning it, it went downhill from there.




I doubt any of those guys are contractually obligated
by ndtnguy  (2019-01-11 10:47:32)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

just because they won the Heisman years before Nissan started sponsoring it.

Those guys are in those commercials because they want to be.


I haven't seen OJ in any of them for some reason *
by sprack  (2019-01-11 11:22:35)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


They probably have a No Knives Allowed policy in the Heisman
by Dillon76  (2019-01-11 15:49:03)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

House.


Or a No Knaves Allowed policy. *
by tdiddy07  (2019-01-11 18:14:17)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


If you look closely, Ronald Reagan's rosary is in them. *
by tdiddy07  (2019-01-11 13:45:36)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Not sponsored by Ford Bronco *
by OITLinebacker  (2019-01-11 12:53:13)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


well, yeah.
by irishrock  (2019-01-11 10:54:54)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I was joking about the first paragraph. The second part about the award used to being a cool award and being diminished in the late 80's/early 90's (post Barry Sanders)...I'll stand by that.