In reply to: Most ESPN Top 300 signees since 2013 * posted by NDCuse
Except that if we get a bunch of guys in 50-100, then you ask how many top 50. You obviously have internet access so you can look it up.
I don't like Kelly. His coaching and recruiting are below expectations. However, this isn't his worst class since 2012.
Instead of dicking around back and forth, let's just pick a measure and go with it.
Average stars?
Composite ranking?
Top 300 count?
All of those can and will say different things. I don't think any of them, individually, is conclusive.
As for Cross' point, given the holes on offense (and the composite ranking, and number of 5 stars) of this class, it's not a completely baseless claim.
the goal should be having 4* or better starting at every position with the occasional exception like Julian Love. Ideally, we have a 5* at every level of the defense. Everyone who's followed recruiting knows that what's consistently missing are elite WR, RB and defensive recruits. However, there are sixteen 4* players which means 16 guys with that should be able to contribute and have substantial pro potential. It's an mediocre class. Not great. Not disastrous.
" It's an mediocre class. Not great. Not disastrous."
Is that contrary to saying it's our lowest ranked class since 2012?
That doesn't mean it's a disaster, it's just the lowest ranked, using one of the metrics.
No kidding... during the late 80s/early 90s - we would get 4 or so on the first team (offense and defense combined) and another 4-5 on the second team.
That would be around 8 or so.
No other college would get more than 2-3.
Oodles.
Especially receivers and running backs. Not to mention defensive ends and tackles.
You are such a pathetic, besotten homer.
I realize that you need to troll the board to boost traffic, but its becoming painfully redundant. The original post indicated that this may be one of Kelly's worst classes. My response simply noted that it probably wasn't. That doesn't make me a homer, Kelly-lover or an enabler. Bruno nailed it. This is a 10-2 level class.
If you find the posts "tired" it's because the circumstances haven't changed, as our offensive performance in the bowl game, and the treadmarks on our defense's jerseys; should have told you.
Which class since 2012 was worse
Year 247Sports Pts. Rivals Pts. Rivals Star Avg.
2013 284.77 2893 3.92
2014 260.44 2211 3.52
2015 267.79 2423 3.54
2016 249.43 2289 3.57
2017 251.32 2144 3.33
2018 268.86 2380 3.44
2019 258.56 2274 3.55
I don't like Kelly. I don't want Kelly. 2012 and 2018 are his peak. We should've canned him in 2016 or long before. But if more of the same means that we string together several consecutive 10+ win seasons so the job is as attractive as possible when it open up, I'm for it and I will enjoy wins over Michigan and SC along the way.
How many programs are currently better positioned than ND?
Bama, Clemson, Ohio State, UGA, OU. That's about it.