TMZ represents the lowest devolution of our society. A bunch of nosy paparazzi types following well known people around with cameras trying to report on anything Mr. and Mrs. Loser at home can point at to say "see, that guy/gal is no better than us!"
But the article is fascinating.
Not sure what is and isn't true, but it makes it seem like everything was OK, until he realized during the walk back that he was probably in deep $hit and tried to get away, unsuccessfully.
found him passed out in an Uber and had to walk him home.
I suspect that wouldn't go over well in the Gug.
Deep shit doesn't mean expulsion or anything that harsh, but I'm guessing more of a, oh shit, NDPD found me passed out and are escorting me to my dorm, the coaches are going to be pissed.
sounds like fairly deep ish to me. Tyler James reporting.
lied, that will be reported, too. NDInsider doesn’t do hatchet jobs.
NYPost has picked up the story, which is nice.
Charges are underage drinking, battery, resisting arrest. Misdemeanors. He is out on $250 bail.
WNDU tweet linked.
You're relying on NDInsider as an authority when their lone source is a police report.
It doesn't matter which or how many media organizations have reported on it at this point, they're all relying on the same source, which is not terribly reliable itself.
Perhaps there is not. Either way, it is certainly better not to make judgments based on police reports. Or, on media reports based on police reports. As you suggest.
Perhaps that's how it happened. Or perhaps the police wrote a report favorable to them.
Especially when the only charge is resisting arrest.
I’m not sure whether he had any obligation for the cops to assist him home. Although I understand the police not wanting a drunk person to flee for his own safety. But if there’s no public intoxication charge, I’m having trouble seeing why they would have a right to detain him if he did not want help going home.
No matter the circumstances.
1) It doesn't add any value; and
2) It's a dumb position to take.
Circumstances always matter. That's the whole point of circumstances.
McKinley’s ND career might be over, but that’s that’s not what you said...
Times have changed a lot since then.
Give the kid one break
is as a whole, brutal. I will offer though, they are way ahead and on point on certain stories than others. But, I get your complaint.
Kareem Hunt signed with Cleveland today
From Ray Rice to Bruce Jenner, they nail it time after time.
the worst moments of other people’s lives. It’s sort of like the reverse Facebook. Instead of reading about the best 2% of the lives of a bunch of non-famous people we get to find out about the problems of famous people.
Put it this way, I could have lived my life comfortably without ever knowing about Ray Rice’s or Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner’s issues.
# of formal retractions published in the last 10 years by:
1. The New York Times
2. The Washington Post
People may think Harvey Levin is a slimeball. Perhaps that's so. He's unwatchable on TV.
But I know one thing the man is not, and that is "stupid".
He's a University of Chicago trained lawyer who isn't about to see his valuable media franchise go under because of libel suits.
He goes after some of the richest, most powerful, most lawyered up people in sports and entertainment, succeeds in getting stories where all others fail, and consistently gets it right.
Appreciate him for what he is.
Some changes are adding information. Others are altering the story significantly without documenting the change. There are other websites that can help as well.
for that silly little misunderstanding between his fist and his wife’s face.
Ray Rice should have gotten away with it.
It was only the video coming out that made them change their stance publicly on their domestic violence policy.
I know it's a silly question because kids are kids but even in my finer moments as an undergrad, I was never out on the streets anywhere close to overnight. If you're out that late, you're asking for trouble.
I'd venture to say more often than not, weekend nights from spring of junior year onward ended with the sounds of birds chirping as we headed home.
All a big misunderstanding.
I should have gone to law school.
When you stole that cow, and your friend tried to make it with the cow. I want to party with you, cowboy.
how your comment is usually phrased.
spring training w/ the NYY in 50's. Casey Stengel commented that Larsen was either out really late or up really early. If he was out really late, he would've had no difficulty in finding teammates to join him.
Early morning hours MVA after a night of heavy drinking.
One summer, I had to drive 65 miles to work and leave at 4:45 am. One time I got pulled over at 5:00 am and the cop comes up to my car and asks what the hell I was doing out so late. I told him I was heading to work. I think the guy did me a solid because he issued me a ticket but didn't fill in the mph part when I was going 67 in a 55. I think he likely knew I didn't deserve the ticket
(with the exception of Club 23, which I don't think ever really closed). Throw in some Borracho Burrito afterward and you got 4:30. C'mon man!
the cops never caught me!!
I spent more than a few nights out past that time. Good times
... student from the roof of the Architecture building to end the evening. (And no, I wasn't even an Architecture major.)
Was she helping you erect something?
and they go nowhere near 7.
As the one who was on the other end of the checkbook this time around, I'm ok with that
Another site said arrested at that time but I'm guessing it is wrong and reporting the booking time and not understanding the difference. The actual arrest could've been like an hour before booking time depending on what was going on.
And if NDSP arrested him, he may not have been on the streets. He could've been walking back from Eddy Commons for all we know. Or driving back to the parking lot.
I hope the kids at home learn that no matter how hard you try Bruno only needs 10 seconds to win the day.
This is one of my favorite lines in NDN history.
It's one thing when our 3* pocket passer gets run down by local police and a cab driver. It's another when a former 4* WR gets hauled in by a campus cop despite trying to resist the arrest. I haven't seen the report, but I'm sure it's 100% accurate.
That turned out fine.
I have no doubt a Valpo super cop chased that schmuck down from behind. He's just a pitcher anyway.
Is automatically guilty of that crime, or the police wouldn't have wasted their time. Right?
I’m guessing the battery charge is some trumped up bullshit they tacked on due to incidental kicking while he was trying to get away, similar to the BS charge they tried to put on Tom Rees a few years back.
Sounds like bullshit to me.
is an offense. It is possible to have a lawful order to stop based on probable cause where it turned out the guy did nothing wrong.
But it certainly should be a red flag if no further charge was made. For instance, no public intox or underage consumption or possession (if he hasn't turned 21 yet as a junior) charges were made. I also don't know what the public intox rules are if you're on ND's campus.
But you can't just order someone to stop for no good reason or because they look vaguely suspicious. You're welcome to try to confront them and ask questions, but they have no obligation to volunteer their answers or to stop and listen. And the refusal to volunteer answers or to stop and listen is not probable cause for any crime that could warrant a lawful order to stop.
I am inclined to take the word of a Notre Dame student over the word of any police officer. I have seen far, FAR too much lying on the part of police officers to give their word any credibility whatsoever at face value.
Strictly mho, and I realize that I'm probably in the minority here.
who are not going to take SBPD or NDSP's official statements at face value. Especially on spurious charges like "resisting arrest" without an underlying offense.
In my case, it applies to police across the board. Of course, the standard of proof is supposed to be proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, even if that doesn't always happen in the real world.
Not looking to debate, just don’t want to assume.
I would look for corroboration before I'd be inclined to believe anything a police officer says.
And just so that we're clear, I did not say I would not believe anything a police officer said, ever. But I would require corroboration first.
punched a woman, he is done as a FB player, at ND or anywhere.
resisting and battery on a LEO? If that is the case, it seems suspicious.
The ISD article links to an NDInsider piece (although the ISD text says it's a Tribue article) that describes the incident in detail: he passed out in the back of an Uber, campus police responded to a call about it and tried to help him to his dorm, he bolted, it turned into a scuffle, and he punched the cops.