Who gives a shit about that? If we ran the Single Wing, I wouldn't care as long as we competed, won big games routinely, were highly ranked every year, and did all of this with integrity and honor.

Is that it’s the head coaches job to determine what scheme they’ll try to execute. If he wants to run the single wing, then fine, but he’s the one to decide that.

Because you didn't even mention fund raising.

"If you're managing, you're not leading."
Ara led.
David leads.
BK manages, IMHO.

than coach since many people will point to off the field items such as nutrition improvements, facility upgrades, medical/training staff changes, etc. as evidence of the good to great job Kelly has done as coach (their opinion not mine). For me, Kelly may have pushed for changes but the execution was probably left to others.

The one glaring concern I have regarding that question is that an AD should be pretty good at hiring & firing staff and Brian Kelly does not have a stellar record in that area (though his last two years have been better than the previous seven).

Please note that I am not advocating that Kelly should ever be AD at ND.

points to the contrary.

called these, respectively, the most important jobs of the coach.

*you need to weight these after you get the list

but I would put winning up there at the top as an end goal

Everything you list is true and accurate, but, without winning, it all really doesn't matter if you don't consider success in your efforts somewhere in that list.

Notre Dame prides itself on excellence. I would think that applies to success on whatever field of sports is considered.

Atleast that is how Charlie Weis viewed his most important role to be

Respecting the university's mission and doing so with dignity. BK gets an F here, while MB and MM get an A+.

better than Kelly, he does have a little bit of Digger’s devilish side in him.

how different we view our football and basketball coaches.

At the end of the day, it’s “what have you done for me lately”. Men’s b-ball hasn’t made Dance,in 2years. I suspect poster is making comparison many of men’s basketball board have expressed continued support for Brey, and muted in criticism .
Suspect he feels Kelly, whose program has played in 2 National Championship series, wouldn’t/ hasn’t received such “rope”, for results that Brey has.
That’s be my guess what poster was referring too ??
What do you think??

That first title game Kelly played in

1) Was 6 years ago
2) We got curb stomped
3) We had to vacate all the wins from that year


So Kelly's what have you done for me lately is one decent season, one good season, and yet another ass kicking when it mattered the most.


But I expect national titles from ND football. I don't expect national titles from ND Men's BBall

Why wouldn’t you?

Chick Fil-A should aspire to make the world's greatest french fries.

Perhaps they should. But ultimately, that's not a foundation of what Chick Fil-A is, and it isn't what they're known for (and it likely will never be).

You can aspire to be the best at both, but I certainly wouldn't equate them in terms of importance.

but a head coach is, or should be, responsible for at least some part of the academic and character development of his players. He should also be a good representative of the University, particularly at Notre Dame.

There is plenty in the job description of a major college football coach without making academic achievement his responsibility. It has been said many times on this board that ND coaches have always had teams that did well in the classroom because there is a whole support staff in place to allow that to happen. The coach shouldn’t recruit within the academic constraints and stay out of the way if for example a lab conflicts with practice. But the idea that academic development fall on him is unreasonable. Maybe we’re talking about the same thing with respect to his “academic” responsibilities.

of the academic development. A coach can foster an environment that contributes, or one that detracts from academic achievement. If we really mean for these kids to be student athletes, those are two huge jobs going on at the same time. They need help. The coach's first job is to win games, but they should care about the well-being of kids entrusted to them, most of whom will never play professionally.

responsibilities?

of the program to say. Some of his players have had issues, and some have cheated, but that happens.

He has been considerably better since January of 2017 in this regard. Even the ridiculous comparisons that were made to Rockne, Lou, etc were Swarbeick's doing and identified as off base by Kelly. "They have National Championships" was basically his blunt response

Hiring (& Firing) / Staff Development : C. VanGorder alone made me consider lower. S&C and D.C. have been home runs the last two years
Recruiting: B/B+
Player Development: B+
Scheme: B. C+ first 6 years, B+ last two. F in 2016
Game-day coaching: B- this one may be generous.
Other (Program Development): depends on your view

Worst hire possible by any measure, but that disaster also begat the recent changes. The S&C staff changes being the most important.