If someone on TPG said something with which you disagree, engage them there.
I don't have time to figure out what message is being sent to whom. I've got a life to lead.
He and some others also ran a now defunct blog called Blue Gray Sky
TPG stands for The Polo Grounds, which is the name they gave to their discussion board
It is confusing and feels like barking at shadows.
I really like him as a player and soon to be fellow alum He has taken some shots on this board and I dont like that. I thought OD's post was silly, sure. But he gets the chicks.
The main weakness of the offense is its vulnerability to putting the QB in the hospital
In a different system?
I do, for the record.
Unfortunately, he wouldn’t start at those two schools.
Than every Alabama QB in the Saban era aside from Tua.
not to take anything away from Book.
Unlike the NFL, CFB has not become as QB centric when it comes to winning titles.
It's not a requirement to have a top QB like it is in the NFL.
The national championship teams not coached by Nick Saban or Urban Meyer were quarterbacked by Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, Deshaun Watson, and Trevor Lawrence. Before 2007, titles not won by Saban or Meyer were won by Vince Young and vacated by USC’s elite talent, and preceding that was Jim Tressel’s team that skated through several close calls in 2002. I think Ian Book is an excellent college QB, but the number of coaches and systems he could pair with to lead a team to a national title would be extremely small.
It's hard to argue with that.
I would take that a step further and say that it's more about the head coach than the scheme. For guys like Saban, Meyer, Carroll, and Swinney, I think you could spin a roulette wheel with different offensive schemes, and whichever one they land on they'd figure out a way to recruit/develop great players and put them in the best position to maximize the effectiveness of that scheme.
play (McElroy, McCarron, Cardale), but without elite coaching, elite QB play is necessary to win the title. And I agree that coaching is more important than scheme, though I expect the elite coaches to employ thoughtful and quality schemes (and recruit as much elite surrounding talent as possible). I also agree that Swinney and Venables might be able to win a title without an elite QB, but there’s a reason Swinney replaced Kelly Bryant when he did.
1 Montana
2 Rice
3 Hanratty
4 Theisman
5 Huarte
5 Clements ( tie)
Couldn't agree more with you re: BK's shitty system. AJ McCarron can't be THAT much more physically talented than Book, and he won two titles at Alabama.
Kelly's system puts disproportionate--and unrealistic--pressure on the QB position, which is why nobody seems to do the job well. Here are just some of the guys who have "failed" Brian Kelly during his time at ND:
- Dayne Crist / 5-star; #22 nationally; offers from USC, FSU, Michigan, Stanford, and Oregon, among others
- Andrew Hendrix / 4-star; #283 nationally; offers from Florida, Louisville, and Maryland, among others
- Everett Golson / 4-star; #267 nationally; offers from Clemson, Virginia Tech, and UNC, among others
- Deshone Kizer / 4-star; #242 nationally; offers from Bama, LSU, PSU, Tennessee, Michigan, and Ohio State, among many others
- Malik Zaire / 4-star; #162 nationally; offers from Bama, Ohio State, Oregon, Northwester, and Wisconsin, among many others
- Brandon Wimbush / 4-star; #46 nationally; offers from Bama, Miami, PSU, LSU, Stanford, Georgia, and Michigan, among others
Has anybody had a lower hit rate with 4- and 5-star QB prospects than Brian F'ing Kelly?!?
offense.
I don’t give a shit that he was not a run threat. it most likely would have been huge numbers to To be clear, though, it most would have been a garnish to an 8 or 9 win shit sandwich.
that ACross read something about Book being the best ever on one of the homer boards and is bringing it over here since he can't respond there and those guys always check on this board.
Omahadomer said "But you might be watching the greatest ND QB in history by many objective measures." By QB productivity stats, Omahadomer could turn out to be correct.
If you are going to accuse somebody of "dog whistling" then you better damn well be careful about not being a whisker biscuit.
Ian Book is a really good player --
by omahadomer, Saturday, April 13, 2019, 22:57
OK, he doesn't have NFL prototype size (but then again neither does Drew Brees). He has above-average arm strength for a college QB, but he's not John Elway.
But, to quote Dabo Sweeny, "he's a baller."
OK, he didn't play well against Clemson. But neither did any of Bama's QB's.
But the kid has won every game he started except that one, and bailed out the Irish in the Citrus Bowl against LSU.
He completed over 68 percent of his passes last year with 19 TD's against 7 interceptions. He rushed for about 300 yards, and that counts sacks against his total.
He's extremely accurate, including -- and this is big in this offense -- on the run. He can adjust his arm angle and still hit the target. He has great field vision.
He makes the right reads. He's a leader. He doesn't bitch at other players. If it was on him, he takes responsibility.
Barring a horrible injury, he'll own most of the ND passing records by the time he leaves.
Nitpick away. But you might be watching the greatest ND QB in history by many objective measures.
Not sure where the misquote is. I'd post a link to the post, but it's not permitted.
to define ND’s greatest quarterback?
And, by those objective measures, who currently is ND’s greatest quarterback?
I expect it is probably posted later in the thread, but I don’t read Jay’s board.
I somewhat disagree with his assessment, but that's okay.
If our qb and our offense cannot attack the middle of the field it will never be great and he will never be considered one of the greatest qb's, let alone the greatest of all. If we don't develop a better running game (one that doesn't rely heavily on the qb as a runner in a pass based scheme) this offense will never be great.
These will be true statements regardless of meaningless stats racked up against the UNM's of the world because when it comes down to nut cutting time against great teams in the playoffs (the only real measure ND fans use to determine greatness) the team will likely come up short if the two above statements are still issues.
Basically, being considered one of the greatest ever is more than just racking up stats. Right now, we get shut down by elite defenses because they can overwhelm us at the edges and don't have to defend the whole field.
"But you might be watching the greatest ND QB in history by many objective measures."
The Capitan knew this was written and chose to omit for reasons that can be assumed to be less than good faith.
Your quote in this post is identical to the one posted by El Capitan.
There are several players that deserve to be in the conversation regarding the greatest quarterback in school history, but Book is not one of them. Sure, a statistically accurate short passer in an era of pass-heavy offenses should be appreciated, but that's a long way from a designation as "greatest" or even "great". That term should be used judiciously, and OD has apparently forgotten what it really means.
The guy said "greatest ND quarterback ever by many objective measures," presumably statistics like yardage, touchdowns, TD-to-INT ratio, completion percentage, whatever else. Would you not say that the better description of someone ranking high (if not #1) in those categories would be "most prolific" as opposed to greatest?
and one of the things I like about this board is that we tend to ignore that sort of chatter.
if Book ends up being a great player for ND we'll all know it, see it, and recognize it. Tommy Rees might have had better stats than Joe Montana (for instance) but I don't know that many people would say that he was the greater of the two when it comes to playing qb at Notre Dame.
He'd be effective in a lot of college football offenses. I would love to see him in an offense that didnt have a governor on it. Imagine driving this bucket of bolts down the highway. She tops out at about 50 mph, then tosses a rod, burns oil, and has to pull over and wait for a tow truck. Then somebody yells at the driver.
I just could not find the misquote.
"by many objective measures"
Underwhelming stats like that do not in any way measure "greatness". Another example of homer geeks being full of shit. I'm sure OD is happy to have you as a sycophant.
much pressure on QB." Although there is that. It's got all sorts of flaws in both design and approach, and we've been over them before.