Can someone please explain to me?
by Trestle-an (2019-12-04 18:36:26)

Sorry if already discussed.

I realize there are a lot of contracts and agreements between the bowls and conferences (many more than than say 10 or 20 years ago), but why wouldn't a 2 loss ND team be assured of receiving a bid to a high quality bowl game? Historically this would be a given. If it truly does come down to more contracts being in place in recent years then why should we not be irate with Jack? The bowl game is the seminal game of the year. How we could be prepared for the type of result we have this year (a grade B bowl game after only a 2 loss season to ranked opponents) is absolutely against the norm and traditional expectations of this program and fan base. And if the reason all relates to the ACC deal (which I suspect it does), then what the f**k have we gained from this deal? Seems to be a horrible deal now in hindsight.


Latrine Bowl is
by 2shedsjackson  (2019-12-05 09:51:15)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

the best this coach could get us. Being independent with bowls having conference tie ins it is up to Kelly to not lose two games. It is up to Kelly to avoid humiliating blowouts. A better coach would have us in a better bowl. Get used to it an extension announcement coming soon. 12-0 or 11-1 with this year's schedule was attainable with the right coach and staff.


Not in the playoff? Seminal bowl games are spent waste of
by Jurassic  (2019-12-05 08:57:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

time.


Name another 2-loss ND team whose best win was Navy. *
by SorinBasement  (2019-12-05 08:43:42)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


USC is ranked higher than Navy (and is not Navy) so I'd say
by Tonybullets  (2019-12-05 10:42:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

your Post is spurious.


An 8-4 #22 USC vs. a 9-2 #24 Navy
by SorinBasement  (2019-12-05 17:12:48)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

and my post is spurious?


2015
by KevinG  (2019-12-05 08:52:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Though some might argue Temple was ND’s best win


Not that it matters, but I'd still say USC both years *
by ndgotrobbedin97  (2019-12-05 09:02:15)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Michigan aside, 2 spots are in playoff bowls this year
by btd  (2019-12-04 22:45:04)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Instead of 4 bowls we have a path into, we only have 2 this year. Within the NY6 we have between 2 and 4 per year depending where the playoff bowls are. Most likely we would have made one this year with a 3rd spot open.

Michigan made it impossible this year. We lost so badly that we stayed behind every other team that had at least one legitimate win. Not only did we get blown out we lost on October 26th. Flip Michigan and UGA and we’d be around 11th right now.

We are really an 0-2 team. We played 2 real
Games and lost both.


There are plenty of teams better than us to get
by Chicos bail bonds  (2019-12-04 22:37:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The highest tier bowl games. The rankings take into account that we have beaten no one. Losing only 2 games doesn't necessarily mean we should be in a top bowl game.


Sweet, we beat Virginia
by RJD  (2019-12-05 15:05:31)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

and they are headed to Orange or Cotton. S'plain that Chico.


Notre Dame is #15. *
by rkellyatrecess  (2019-12-04 20:24:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Look at the bigger picture.
by Wooderson  (2019-12-04 20:03:16)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

With the deal made for the playoff, the G5 rep gets a seat at the table. Memphis is taking our Cotton bowl slot .

If we were full ACC members we'd likely be guaranteed the Orange bowl, and facing Clemson this Saturday.

Due to how the rotations work, we get slotted into a third tier bowl (sorry, but it is).


sorry to say, camping world is 4th tier.
by 84david  (2019-12-05 09:19:56)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The non-NY6 bowls played on jan 1 are tier 3
(eg citrus)


Citrus/Gator are Tier 2.
by Wooderson  (2019-12-05 11:38:57)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

NY6 bowls are tier 1.

Quicklane/Belk are Tier 4.

Huh, maybe we are in Tier 4.


Plus a lot of 1 and 2 loss teams this year *
by ND_Navy  (2019-12-04 21:30:26)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Disagree
by molecular  (2019-12-04 20:29:53)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

If we were full ACC members, we would be lucky to be .500. The ACC is a football powerhouse.


Maryland is no longer in the ACC. And Pepper Rodgers is dead *
by RagingBull  (2019-12-05 11:34:49)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


isn't it merit-based now?
by MrE  (2019-12-04 19:50:23)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Meaning - ND has to finish ranked high enough to justify a major bowl bid?

If there are more accomplished (higher ranked) at-large teams, they would get the at-large bids (other than the slot held for a Group of 5 team, which I guess you could say is an additional automatic bid).


saucy just won the “AD triple crown”
by cj  (2019-12-04 18:54:04)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

TV ratings .... down
Sell out streak ...: dead
Bowl game recognition .... snubbed..... .

These are dangerous trend lines.

We’re losing support and being marginalized on a national stage.




But he maintained our independence!
by Bruno95  (2019-12-05 07:10:13)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

And look how valuable that is in his hands. Last year’s and this year’s schedules. Six ACC opponents next year. The Pinstripe, Music City, and Camping World bowls. Ball State, Bowling Green, New Mexico, and Toledo. A two-loss team, which any thinking person recognizes as a paper tiger.

Swarbrick independence is a Bolivian Peso.


He's losing leverage. imo He'll be looking to add revenue
by cj  (2019-12-05 10:33:14)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

through stadium advertising. Also, full ACC membership will (inaccurately) be cited as a playoff necessity.

I hope this stuff never happens, but fear that's where this is heading under his awful stewardship.

Lastly, it still bugs the hell out of me the way he treated, out priced and jettisoned lifelong generational season ticket owners. That's an insane move. Those folks are to be celebrated.

Another doozie is Under Armour. Granted the $ he signed for at the time were the highest. However, he misread the altitude by a ton. Within a year Texas signed a 15 year $250 million Nike deal versus our 10 year $90 million UA deal plus options. Nike shelled out almost $17 million a year to TX. We whiffed....

"I love the way they skewed younger,” Swarbrick said to the New York Times of Under Armour. “Especially with a traditional brand, you want to make sure you don’t become narrowed to an older audience."

The UA relationship has not been a win financially or professionally. They've had some real PR corporate problems.

Just what has saucy done well???





He did a 3rd rate homage to Alexander Haig on 10/27/10 *
by meatwhistle  (2019-12-05 15:28:47)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


& Brett Favre on the 26th: October 26, 2010 Brian Kelly
by cj  (2019-12-05 20:06:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

COACH KELLY: Okay, playing a very exciting and prolific offense in Tulsa. Kinne, the quarterback, is -- he reminds me of Brett Favre out there.


Nothing.
by SWPaDem  (2019-12-05 15:21:03)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

He's done nothing well. He's got the Midas Touch - in reverse.


We have become a Mid-Major
by Ndaero93  (2019-12-04 19:29:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Next stop - Tuesday Night MAC-tion

Seriously - the triple crown you described is the definition of a mid-major program.


As fate would have it, it’s all Kelly knows
by Brahms  (2019-12-05 05:56:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Goes with the jock rock, ribbon boards.

And the collars were always more comfortable with a lower profile program.

Monk and his bloated, sanctimonious BOT won.


Monk, the BoT, and the terrorists have won.
by SWPaDem  (2019-12-05 07:33:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Kelly and Saucy (and his progeny) too.


Chandra Johnson shaved her head 15 years ago this week
by NDFanSince81  (2019-12-05 08:13:50)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Monk and Kevin White are long gone. It was 15 years ago this week that Chandra Johnson shaved her head.

Jenkins and the BOT own everything that has happened since including Swarbrick, Weis, Kelly, ACC, fake turf, Jumbotron, ticket prices, vacated games, scheduling, and all the rest.


It's remarkable how many things they have gotten wrong.
by skeptic  (2019-12-05 10:57:03)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

And how their mistakes keep bearing rotten fruit. There lies the golden goose, bleeding to death before our eyes, and Swarbrick basically brags about stabbing it.