More news from the ACC meetings with quotes from Savvy Jack
by ryND (2022-05-12 13:11:38)
Edited on 2022-05-12 13:12:29

@ADavidHaleJoint
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This week's ACC spring meetings covered some hot topics -- from NIL and tampering enforcement to the new scheduling plans, but with a B1G TV deal valued at more than $1.1B coming soon, it all felt a bit like arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. A quick ?.
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@ADavidHaleJoint
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@ByPatForde
talked w/Jack Swarbrick a few weeks back in which the ND AD speculated on seismic changes coming: "We're going to have these 2 conf that have distanced themselves from anyone else financially, that's where I see it starting to break down."
si.com
Notre Dame AD Swarbrick Sees Division I Breakup as ‘Inevitable’
Wholesale change is unavoidable in college athletics. The Fighting Irish athletic director thinks a total realignment of Division I is coming with it.
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@ADavidHaleJoint
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Swarbrick spoke today and reiterated that concern: "We're getting to a two solar system model here. You have two suns with all the gravitational pull -- the Big Ten and the SEC. People are going to have to figure out how to align with one or the other.”
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@ADavidHaleJoint
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Swarbrick didn't make guarantees -- "possible but not inevitable" — but said there are "fissures" that creating the lines of demarcation: Football/men's basketball investment & success; philosophy/culture; finances. You can see those on display just in the ACC.
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@ADavidHaleJoint
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Miami AD Dan Radakovich basically endorsed Swarbrick's prediction, too: "The idea of having like-minded schools pull together and do something different, I know Jack talked about it as being inevitable, I don't know that I disagree with that. It's just what the timeline is."
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@ADavidHaleJoint
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What is the timeline? Several folks I talked to think a break from the NCAA is coming soon - maybe within the next 6-12 months. Gene Smith's suggestion about allowing the CFP to govern is a big part of that discussion. But what about something more seismic like super conferences?
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@ADavidHaleJoint
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Jim Phillips said the time was now to investigate new arrangements for football but tried to tamp down concerns about super conference-type change: "I don't see that happening right now or over the next 5-10 years. I just don’t."
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@ADavidHaleJoint
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The trump card for Phillips is the ACC’s grant of rights, which runs through 2036 and would prevent any departing schools from keeping their media rights in a new league. It’s been a shield for the league in the wake of last summer’s Okla/Texas moves but it won’t always be.
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@ADavidHaleJoint
Each year that passes, the relative cost of the GoR goes down, while the relative revenue losses compared w/SEC & B1G goes up. Given state of NIL & pay-for-play, for football-focused schools like Miami, Clemson & FSU, that’s a potentially existential concern in the long term.
9:11 AM · May 12, 2022·TweetDeck


ACC is a Dead Man Walking
by KORZO78  (2022-05-15 07:50:51)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Would not be surprised to see Clemson and maybe FSU bolt to the SEC this summer.

ND has very important decisions to make in the next 12 months of so.

Hate to say it but it seems like full conference affiliation seems inevitable.


Here's how I see it happening
by tf86  (2022-05-18 13:36:13)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I agree that Florida State and Clemson will wind up in the SEC, but I think it may take a little longer than you estimate. I believe the SEC will need Texas and Oklahoma to join officially before taking a vote on Florida State and Clemson, otherwise the Gentlemen's Agreement could defeat it.

Once that happens, I think the floodgates open. I see the B1G grabbing Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech and Miami (for a presence in Florida), and the SEC also picking up NC State and VaTech (for a presence in those states).

That leaves six teams in the ACC. BC, Pitt, Syracuse and Louisville will stay together based on common past in ACC and Big East (although BC and Louisville were never in the Big East at the same time). Duke and Wake will stay with them because, essentially, they have no other option remaining. From there, full merger with the Big XII is a possibility, but I think the more likely scenario is that they take the three easternmost teams in the Big XII (UCF, Cincinnati, WVU). In that event, merger with the Big East is also a possibility, but I think the more likely scenario is that they offer 3-5 from among UConn, East Carolina, UMass, Memphis, South Florida and Temple. So the ACC stays together in some fashion, but possibly under a different name and certainly severely weakened.

Big XII suffers a similar fate. Pac-12 may as well, especially if SEC and/or Big 10 embraces the concept of football-only membership for those schools. Again, here the conference figures to be severely weakened but probably survives in some form. Beyond USC, there's a considerable dropoff in demand for these schools.


I don't disagree
by Wass  (2022-05-15 21:31:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I've always felt ND was a poor fit for the ACC, but, man, it was great for ESPN and network sports in general for them to be in the league. I've always thought ESPN would lead the charge to control college sports and force the formation of "super conferences" (for want of a better term). There will likely be only 4 or so super conferences with teams strategically picked so each conference will have a very large viewing audience. Smaller division 1 conferences will either drop down a division or form their own super conferences. ND will likely have to join a conference, for better or for worse.


Only Two Super Conferences May Emerge
by KORZO78  (2022-05-16 10:42:07)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The SEC and the Big 10, whose TV deal is coming up in the next few months and will set the tone for the next phase of realignment.

The Big 12 is another Dead Man Walking IMO with the ACC. Don't see how they survive long term with Texas and Oklahoma pulling out.

The Pac 12 has never gained much traction. TV rules these deals and the start times for their games as well as lack of a top power recently make it difficult for them to flex their muscle.









"The trump card for Phillips is the ACC’s grant of rights"
by G.K.Chesterton  (2022-05-12 16:35:42)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Discussed here before, but that contract is an albatross negotiated by the previous ACC commissioner and all the ACC schools are chained to it. They are stuck with it until 2036 and I don't believe there is any opt-out capability. Remember when Scottie Pippen locked in for a long-term contract and it was a bad deal for him (and others told him it was bad)? Same thing here.

Side note: For the moment, Phillips still lives on the North Shore - if you drive by a certain house with an ACC flag out front, you'll know it's his place.


All contracts can be renegotiated.
by 84david  (2022-05-13 08:56:09)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Just how much you are willing to give up to get out of it is the question.


I've long wondered how they actually apply to ND.
by Leeroy_Jenkins  (2022-05-13 18:17:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

A lot of talk that ND can't move until 2035, but the ACC doesn't have ND's football rights anyway and I can't imagine we are talking a ton of money for the basketball rights.


The bigger problem for ND as I see it
by tf86  (2022-05-17 10:56:18)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Would be if they wanted to join a football conference. Their deal with the ACC doesn't require them to join the ACC for football, but does state that ND can't join any football conference other than the ACC during that period. Strictly a hunch, but my guess is that in the minds of the ACC, that provision is worth quite a bit more money than is ND's GoR provision (IIRC, ND's GoR, which does not include football, is worth roughly the same as Wake Forest's, which includes football).


and breached *
by ACross  (2022-05-13 14:42:48)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Yup. The ACC is hosed
by carroll2005  (2022-05-13 08:20:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Phillips can't be naive enough to think the premier teams will really sit pat with this terrible deal for another 14 years.

At some point a team will challenge and find a way out. And then it's over.


Worth noting in that regard
by tf86  (2022-05-13 10:55:24)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It has occurred to me that perhaps the SEC's pursuit of Oklahoma and Texas was motivated, at least in part, by a desire on Sankey's part to have the votes necessary to override the Gentlemen's Agreement, if indeed it is invoked to deny membership to Florida State and/or Clemson.


. . . . a contract that can't (hasn't) been broken doesn't
by other_guy  (2022-05-12 18:46:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

exist . . . If you want to pay the money, you can do whatever the hell you want . . .


Sirius says NBC will add B10 soon ND will share TV exposure *
by discNDav  (2022-05-12 16:12:47)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


That would be nice actually. It would force them to keep the
by NumberOneMoses  (2022-05-17 12:07:07)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

breaks short to stay within a certain timeframe since they’d have to go to another game afterwards.


the writing has been on the wall for a few years
by jt  (2022-05-12 13:38:46)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

but ND alumni want to have competitive football, so /shrugs shoulders.


He is so useless
by ACross  (2022-05-12 13:52:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Saucy: "Look at how fast this train is going! I like riding on it. I even sit in the conductor room. I am glad they let me ride with the guys who are steering this train. I like it that people know I am riding in the room with the conductors".

Observer: "Man, we are picking up speed as this train goes down this steep decline. There is the brake lever. WABCO brakes. Do you think you ought to tell somebody to pull the brake lever?"

Saucy: "No. They might kick me out of the conductors room and make me sit in steerage. I like sitting up here. Looking cool and being awesome. Check out my spectacles. And my fashionable beard."

Observer: "Hey, there is a fork in the road ahead, if we go right, the tracks level off, and we could stop the train from going too fast to stop. Do you think you should tell the conductor, who seems kind of crazy."

Saucy: "No. After we pass the fork in the road, and reach the point of no return, we can tell people there was a fork in the road."

Observer: "Hey, the bridge up ahead has collapsed; unless we stop this train now, we will hurtle into a deep gorge, and the whole train will be destroyed. Do you think we should finally pull the brake?"

No, the Saucy: "No, they gave me a parachute. Got a couple for my sons and daughters."


This is too perfect *
by IrishLep  (2022-05-13 06:59:18)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Slow clap. Brilliant *
by goirish89  (2022-05-12 23:43:24)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


That is excellent. And very accurate. *
by Lloyd Braun  (2022-05-12 21:04:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


He likes to watch. *
by SWPaDem  (2022-05-12 16:40:57)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


you'd like The Athletic article on Joe Moglia
by Final_Flanner  (2022-05-12 15:31:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

He's the former head coach, now "chair of athletics", at Coastal Carolina who was also at one time the CEO of TD Ameritrade. In addition to these quotes he lays out his ideas for fixing recruiting, signing periods, coaching contracts, and the FBS in general. But his main point is just being appalled at the lack of leadership.


“I have a lot of respect for what the NCAA has done, but if this was the business world, the entire board would get fired,” he said. “The entire executive management team would get fired.”

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“If there was ever a time when college sports had to absolutely act like a real business and run like a business with a sense of urgency, it’s now,” he said. “I sit in meetings and see great ideas, but I don’t get a sense of urgency.”

Moglia says change needs to be radical, and it’s not simply NIL rules. From contracts to new leadership to FBS structure, he has a lot of ideas.

“If we’re going to do something, we have to get it done now,” he said. “The quicker college sports gets its arm around that, the better you’re going to be. If college sports is going to wait for the NCAA, that’s unbelievable to me, when they allowed this to happen.”

An executive committee in charge
Forget various boards and subcommittees and a slow legislative process. Moglia would create an executive committee with almost autonomous power to make decisions. Like a business, the group could be made up of anyone the membership decides, and they can be voted out. But they would have the power.

“It should have the skill sets for everything you might be looking for, but the business sense and the courage to do what they really believe is right for all of college sports,” he said. “They’re the bosses. That’s it. They determine the rules as objectively as they can.”

The NCAA as an organization is simply made up of the schools. It’s not a third-party group. Committees are made up of athletic directors and presidents. NCAA president Mark Emmert, who will step down next year, has little actual real power, but much of Moglia’s frustration with college athletics stems from Emmert’s absence of leadership and direction over the past year — not to mention the NCAA Board of Governors giving him a contract extension in the middle of that in April 2021.

“The face of the biggest lack of leadership in the history of college sports and he gets an extension,” Moglia said. “A year later, he’s no longer going to be there. Now he’s a lame duck. … I think that borders on unethical. Whoever put that contract together, I understand Emmert taking advantage of what they give him, but that’s a horrible executive decision. The guy hasn’t done his job.”


Apt description *
by ryND  (2022-05-12 13:57:07)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


One of Jack's statements sounds like the choice is
by ryND  (2022-05-12 13:46:56)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

going to be the Big Ten or SEC model.

"Swarbrick spoke today and reiterated that concern: "We're getting to a two solar system model here. You have two suns with all the gravitational pull -- the Big Ten and the SEC. People are going to have to figure out how to align with one or the other.”

Is he implying we will join the Big Ten or SEC? Or just align with them. I know it says align in the tweet, just don't believe that is what Jack meant. I believe he is laying the groundwork for full membership.


The 2 solar system model....
by mkovac  (2022-05-12 16:38:55)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I have some questions:

1. In each solar system, who will be Pluto?

2. Which solar system will have the bigger sun?

3. I like our Solar System the way it is. Will one of these solar systems remain ours? If so, who will be the sun of the new one? Alabama? And ours, will our Sun now be the NCAA and will it burn out in a few seasons?

4. What will ND do? Will we orbit the Sun in our present orbit - in the Goldilocks Zone, or will we be forced outward, toward Mars and live in perpetual winter with a thin atmosphere, with no oceans that we can swim in or lay on the beach and watch attractive women in bikinis?

These are important questions. I gotsta know!


There's a big black hole in the middle of the milky way *
by notra_dahm  (2022-05-13 09:54:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


...at the bottom of the sea?
by El Kabong  (2022-05-14 07:30:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

We used to sing that song at camp.


I don't know about solar systems, but I'd like to send Jack
by SWPaDem  (2022-05-13 07:33:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

to the moon. One of these days.


Also
by SixShutouts66  (2022-05-12 17:24:22)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Which solar system gets stuck with the Uranus Wolverines

Who gets the naming rights to "Sun"

Will we still get to keep our moon or will it wander away


of course. You think that ND would pass up the money?
by jt  (2022-05-12 14:12:43)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

every indication over the past few decades is a resounding "NO" to that question.


What's the alternative? Make FB a club sport?
by GoldCoastIrish  (2022-05-13 14:19:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Go down to FCS?

We've been following the money since Rockne was the head coach. Either lead, follow, or get out of the way.


right. /Shrugs shoulders
by jt  (2022-05-13 14:57:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

ND alumni want competitive football.

/continues to monitor the landscape


So pay the money.
by GoldCoastIrish  (2022-05-17 09:07:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

This isn't hard.


I don't think BIG10 and SEC differ
by StetsonDan  (2022-05-12 14:04:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Despite the Big 10's insistence on appearing like they care about academics, I assume the Big 10 and SEC have the same financial interests.

Without knowing more, I'd assume Ohio St, Nebraska, and Penn St would sign onto whatever the SEC wants. I could see Wisconsin and Michigan potentially resisting, but I assume money talks so they'll change.


I think Nebraska and PSU could be persuaded to come to the
by ACross  (2022-05-12 19:37:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Non generate side. With Wisconsin and what’re other Big 10 schools would like to come along.

Ditto USC<, Texas, Miami, UCLA, and a critical mass of other schools who don’t want to throw in with the SEC charade.


USC is a complete degenerate. Witness their NIL actions.
by Freight Train  (2022-05-12 19:48:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

They will throw in with whatever makes them the most money. They are every bit the money whore that OSU is.


I find it humorous to read people calling other schools
by jt  (2022-05-12 22:04:12)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

a "money whore."

I'm not sure there is a more dishonest and disingenuous athletic department head in the country than Jack swarbrick, and under his leadership ND is definitely a money whore.


He is leaving money on the table by insisting on at least
by tf86  (2022-05-13 10:59:42)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Nominal independence. Then again, that's the one that would probably be the straw that broke the camel's back, if he gave up on it.


right, he's leaving money on the table
by jt  (2022-05-13 11:18:06)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

he's positioning for a bigger payday down the line, don't kid yourself.


Under Edmund Joyce and Moose we were money whores.
by ODSCHOOL  (2022-05-13 08:01:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Noting k=new to see here.


Winning is their goal - at all costs
by acrossdmiddle  (2022-05-12 21:21:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Of course, usually the money follows so it’s hard to separate the two.


The competing reality is they have become a bona fide
by ACross  (2022-05-12 21:32:19)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Top academic school. And they would be a better fit with ND, Stanford, Wisconsin, PSU, maybe Texas, Miami, Nebraska, etc.

The time is now for ND to lend its weight and standing to that effort. Not 6 months from now. Articulate a mission, a justification, a competing and preferable and marketable option.

Or ND Stadium will meet the same fate as Port Plaza mall. Lost in Younkers.


You are insane with some of these choices
by Freight Train  (2022-05-12 21:41:22)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

USC? Texas? The Texas that just jumped to the SEC for the money? Miami? Yes, a veritable paragon of virtue. Nebraska? That’s a shit school. Penn State? The school that covered up a child molester for decades?

These schools are not our friend. They do not share any of our values.


USC is ranked right there with ND and arguably is harder to
by Btd  (2022-05-13 09:44:01)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Get into than ND for some of their programs. Also, I was absolutely stunned when taking my 3 kids on college tours. There is one and only one other college that is run almost exactly like ND… USC. The freshman year of studies concepts, dorm life, etc. the campus is also fairly compact and self contained v spread randomly around the city like many of its peer city based colleges. In 2017 they had guaranteed dorms through junior year and were actively building more dorms to increase that to a senior guarantee too.

Along similar lines for state schools - I couldn’t believe where florida is ranked now. My daughter is a rising sophomore there. It was her fallback to ND. They are top 5 public schools now - but are ranked 26th overall for 2021. ND was 19th for example.

ND remains unique with single sex dorms and the dorms being a mix of all 4 classes v single class per dorm in large part. ND is still the better true full college experience because of campus life. But… ND no longer has a wide academic margin on a lot of state schools we used to look down on 20-30 years ago.


Of course
by tf86  (2022-05-13 11:04:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

1. USC isn't a state school.
2. The dorm guarantee at USC may have arisen, at least in part, due to the fact that the adjacent part of Los Angeles to the USC campus isn't exactly the safest place in the world.


I know USC isn’t a state school
by Btd  (2022-05-13 15:14:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

This thread is about both USC and state schools (texas and a list of others). My post is that USC academically is nearly a clone of ND and the way they run the university as a whole was shockingly similar to ND - down to the dorm life aspect too.

They have always owned a lot of the land around the school and/or influenced it heavily for student living in apartments. Their push for expanded dorms goes beyond safety. It’s part of a recognition of what campus life for more than just your freshman year brings to the table.

My cousin went to ND (1983 grad - I’m 89). He is a graduate of ND, harvard and Stanford. 2 of his kids went to ND, one to Carnegie Mellon and the other to USC graduating 2018. He will say the same thing about how shocked he was how similar USC is to ND. He will also tell you he made his wife write the checks for payments to USC - he couldn’t bring himself to do it.


USC and Texas are top academic schools. *
by ODSCHOOL  (2022-05-13 08:25:09)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Correct - and let’s not look down our noses at state schools
by acrossdmiddle  (2022-05-13 09:11:55)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Except Penn State. Now that’s a shit school - but for reasons independent of their academic standards.


Their academic standards aren't bad
by tf86  (2022-05-13 11:08:23)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I'm not saying it's an Ivy League-caliber school academically, but in the greater scheme of things, it's certainly not a bad school academically. I did a check on US News rankings recently, and if memory serves, Penn State was about smack dab in the middle of the Big Ten. If the sole issue were academics, I'd be okay with my kid attending Penn State. Of course, it's not, so I'm not.


Correct. The B1G talks a good game but they'll follow the $
by gordonbombay  (2022-05-12 16:09:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The question isn't whether the B1G will play along with the SEC and do whatever Super League type thing ends up happening - they will. The question is will everyone else follow. My guess is most of them will. Including us.


So will ND with Swarbrick in charge *
by acrossdmiddle  (2022-05-12 17:38:47)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Probably
by gordonbombay  (2022-05-12 21:56:34)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I'm not sure how, after Crossroads and JumboTrons and everything else they've done to very much push their chips in on football, they could justify what amounts to a drop to the 2nd tier of big time football.


Agreed - unless they actually do as Andy suggests
by acrossdmiddle  (2022-05-13 09:13:32)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It’s worth a try and if we fail then we could still join the semi-pros.


Another example of Jack throwing his hot dog down hallway *
by Frank Drebin  (2022-05-12 13:33:38)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post