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by ACross (2022-11-28 14:42:31)
Edited on 2022-11-28 14:46:33

In reply to: ND got more than it deserved this year.  posted by Bruno95


Americans will be on our roster mext year? Alt? Perhaps our freshman CB
. Maybe Estime.

Kellylovers overstated the quality of our recruiting classes every single year. And glossed over the failures.

Perhaps Freeman was aware of the talent when he assembled his staff. He gave primacy to presumed recruiting skill over raw acumen with a couple of exceptions. And then the ground shifted under Freeman's feet with the NIL sham.

I believe that Freeman needs to upgrade his staff as well as the talent.





I don't entirely agree with your synopsis of his staff-build
by MrE  (2022-11-28 15:46:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Although I do think his citing of recruiting being a critical coaching skill (work ethic?) is reasonable since the industry is college football.

He also mentioned teaching ability and appreciating ND as the other key attributes, if I recall correctly.

But the TE, Special Teams, RB, and obviously OL coaches...I don't think of them as necessarily recruiters/sales reps, at least not primary.

He inherited O'Leary (terrible recruiting track record), Mickens, Rees.

And Golden would seem to be a wet dream profile-wise - experience on both sides of the ball - the last 35 years spent as a Penn State TE, DC at Virginia, HC twice, NFL positional coach experience on both sides of ball. Freeman singled Golden out for being someone he can lean on to provide "I've been there" advice, the type of guidance apparently his OC turned down.


Good summary *
by DukeSinatra  (2022-11-28 16:11:49)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


I’m willing to give Freeman a one-year pass on recruiting
by dulac89  (2022-11-28 15:09:55)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

For recruits, he was an unknown quantity. I think this was the perfect season to sell Notre Dame, “look how well we did with a slow undersized roster imagine what we could do with you”. And when I say “pass”, we still will likely finish up with a top 10 possibly a top five class


A pass on recruiting? Huh? We’ll definitely be top 5.
by IrishGeek  (2022-11-28 15:33:33)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

If he needs a pass it’s Marshall and Stanford.


I disagree, there are still enough uncommitted recruits
by dulac89  (2022-11-29 15:23:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

That the likelihood of us dropping out of the top five is pretty high.

That’s why I clarified by “pass” it’s still a very good but not elite class


Defections will hurt the final class ranking
by Jvan  (2022-11-28 15:44:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Keeley, Elijah Page, Dante Moore and maybe Peyton Bowen.


I remember you said with certainty Bowen was gone.
by IrishGeek  (2022-11-28 16:23:19)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Is that still your position?

I think we will be top 5 with Bowen and even without the others.


No one knows - not even the coaches
by Jvan  (2022-11-28 16:50:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Oklahoma is still his expected destination. His girlfriend is headed there to play soccer.

No one believes the drama associated with this kid will end once he signs with someone.


Expected by who? *
by IrishGeek  (2022-11-28 16:51:51)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Recruiting analysts from the pay sites *
by Jvan  (2022-11-28 16:54:14)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Alt, Fisher, Morrison, P. Bowen (if he comes)
by irishaddict  (2022-11-28 14:50:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Guys that at least seem like they could get there based on flashes we have seen would be Meriweather, Sneed and Raridon. Probably some of the young offensive lineeman (Schrauth) have that potential.

Estime is a solid back, but I don't see him as an AA-type.