Horrible Junior/Senior classes
by MrE (2022-11-28 18:03:48)
Edited on 2022-11-28 18:05:34

In reply to: Crap offensive system  posted by NDQuebec

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Finishing 15 and 18 means you are performing at the very bottom of your peer group and providing zero chance to win a national title in 2022 unless you have a messiah QB. Which of course Kelly did not leave ND with.

Talent Composite ranking heavily titled to young players, especially the frosh class which is only highly ranked because of Freeman's impact.

Peer group or not, still better than all but OSU and Clem.
by doolinbanjos  (2022-11-29 15:59:21)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

USC had junior and senior classes ranked 20th, and 63th.
UNC had junior and senior classes ranked 30th and 14th.

Our senior and junior classes may be horrible classes in your opinion, but if they are, then they are 9-2 horrible classes, not 7-4 horrible classes.

Also, the 2018 class was 10th, and some of our best players were fifth years this year.
unfortunately math/odds don't work that way.
by MrE  (2022-11-29 16:06:23)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

+ that's not even accounting for the heavy weight which should be placed on the QB position.

+ there are 12 games in a season.

+ USC injected an immense amount of talent through transfers into the equation which makes your comparison inaccurate. USC has the better roster/team.

+ the fact that 5th year borderline NFL draft picks (and some non-NFL players) are among the best ND players proves the point.

+ Every team has a few 5th years that are at least as good as ND's.

ND's talent/roster is top 20-25 this year. They finished ranked #19.

Yep, it ranks all classes equally, which is a major flaw.
by revressbo  (2022-11-28 18:08:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Jaylen Sneed was a 5* but wasn’t ready to see the field this year as a true freshman. Still think he’ll end up being a very good/great player. But he counts the same as a 5* junior/senior.

Class rankings, per 247 composite:

2019 (seniors): 15 (also includes Kyle Hamilton and Kyren Williams)
2020 (juniors): 18
2021 (sophomores): 9
2022 (freshmen): 7

It should also be noted
by chuck99  (2022-11-28 19:44:21)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

that a large part of the reason that Sneed is here was the recruiting prowess of Freeman. It's not a coincidence that the highest rated of those years was the year with Freeman.