I agree with you and MarineDomer

We are lesser as a program and an extant team. One the one hand, I believe Kelly and his meat head agent were always looking to bail and so he and meat had could parlay and cash out and Kelly for myriad reasons -because he didn’t like ND, he bristled at its expectations, and he viewed the football team as his and nobody else’s.

The quantum and quality of our depth is at or near worst ever at several positions. He left the tentacles of his horrific offense embedded like a slow release stink bomb. In other words, he crop dusted the offense. Freeman spent half of his time during games trying to spray Febreze in the press box.

Weis left some real talent on the team, though it was like termites holding hands.

You know you are hurting when Charlie Weis is more appealing than you. But that is Kelly’s legacy.

Declan, vacated wins, battery on a coach, purple face, etc

But hey we went to the playoffs like Cincinnati and got a football shoved up our asses sideways every time! The lads are better off now than they were TWELVES FUCKING YEARS AGO when rabid midget barney took over.

You conveniently forgot our triumphs in the Sun, Pinstripe,

and Music City Bowls. All of which present incontrovertible evidence of Brian Kelly's unique program building talents.

The Pinstripe Bowl took the cake

The youngsters would say that Kelly and Jack curated the awful bowl opponent to try to infuse the program with credibility. And we still could have lost.

But Four Leaf Skinflint remembers that day fondly. He went to a bar downtown where he ordered tap waters for 4 hours and left a dollar for a tip

I'll always remember that game for Swarbrick enlisting

Johnny Lujack to pimp for a Tron. I was embarrassed for Lujack and embarrassed for Notre Dame at the time. But for Kelly, Swarbrick, and Jenkins, it was all just fine, which kind of reinforced my belief that there was no bottom to which we wouldn't sink in the manufacturing of new legends that would come to define ND Football. But who am I to complain? It did get us alternating, two shades of turf (except at the 50) to somehow represent the cutting of actual grass, which, apparently, was very important to theoretically make it look real. And it got us smoke out the tunnel! And that no-ways sanctimonious pre-game prayer broadcast on the Tron for the whole world to see just how exactly non-sanctimonious we are!!

While my optimism is buoyed regarding what the team has accomplished with Kelly gone and Freeman ideally in charge, the fact remains that Swarbrick and Jenkins are still here, so I won't be holding my breath any time soon just yet knowing there are people around who can still screw up this latest incarnation of Return to Glory.

That was the 2010 Army game with Lujack

The Pinstripe Bowl victory (now vacated) was versus Rutgers after the 2013 season.

Wow. Time flies. Now that you mention it,

I do recall it being a regular season game. Thanks for the correction.

We should have paid him the money he deserved!

We’ll be sorry when our program’s dead, and all this guilt will be on our heads.

that's a fine jazz band you're quoting there *

Nice reference *