Granted, for some, it;s a full time job. That said, are they

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Just take the first three words from your second paragraph - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 13:25:39
- I happen to believe getting a tax free full ride scholarship - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 13:42:12
  - "Some deserve it more" - jt 2023-03-23 14:01:59
    - Yes, "some deserve it more". That said, I agree there is - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 14:34:10
    - To your point, - smithwick 2023-03-23 14:16:19
  - You can believe that student-athletes should not be paid… - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 14:00:21
    - Getting a $100,000+ value scholarship is a lot - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 14:07:49
      - Are you dense? - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 14:52:04
        You would be classified as a part time employee or would - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 15:19:41
        Oh, well if you truly doubt it then... - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 15:40:05
        You have no idea what exposure I have had to D1 athletes, - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 16:08:51
        They also are among the best in the nation at their sport - wpkirish 2023-03-23 16:23:33
        Thankfully, ND has many whom are both! - Irish2003 2023-03-23 17:04:28
        I agree and at risk of being pelted with empties and pleased - wpkirish 2023-03-23 17:19:38
        I agree. More full scholarships should be offered in - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 17:13:30
        The university "profits" off some. Loses on others. As I - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 16:48:46
        you think that these schools are losing money on these - jt 2023-03-23 18:06:31
        ND football profits last year = $77M * - MrE 2023-03-23 18:29:30
        boy, hopefully they can afford to pay room and board - jt 2023-03-23 19:15:31
        How would you have the first... - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 16:59:19
        Yes, I'm aware there are non-revenue sports that compete - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 18:05:33
        Did these cousins graduate in and around the same… - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 21:03:16
        my references? - jt 2023-03-23 18:14:32
        I get the impression you exaggerate your claims to boost - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 22:01:31
        That's not my definition of full time, you're not - jt 2023-03-23 23:33:20
        I have stated the following...for most, an athletic - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 01:12:00
        Oh, and if I ran a company that wasn't profitable - jt 2023-03-24 10:52:24
        I hear Sally Struthers' trembling voice, for some reason - MrE 2023-03-24 14:04:05
        yes, we need to subsidize these failing business' - jt 2023-03-24 16:45:32
        You want to "subsidize" current college athletes with the - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 17:14:09
        you seem to be under the perception - jt 2023-03-24 17:32:03
        Bottom line, Notre Dame would have the opportunity to - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 18:15:27
        Yes, I am familiar with corporations offering 4 years of - jt 2023-03-25 13:36:23
        Does the JT Corporation pay it's employees with 40-50% of - Irishdog80 2023-03-26 00:35:10
        you're just pulling things out of left field - jt 2023-03-26 11:22:53
        The half-baked narrative you are promoting touts the - Irishdog80 2023-03-26 14:23:58
        I will: The re-distribution of wealth should be 50% to - MrE 2023-03-26 12:01:28
        Have you heard of the NFL? Most of the dollars in an - Irishdog80 2023-03-26 00:31:21
        signing bonus is guaranteed - jt 2023-03-26 11:24:25
        The lion's share of NFL players are cuttable. You imply - Irishdog80 2023-03-26 14:07:27
        Nit: Michael Jordan was still wildly underpaid - gregmorrissey 2023-03-27 12:26:35
        I completely agree. Michael Jordan was wildly underpaid. It - Irishdog80 2023-03-27 14:26:56
        That's not the complete IRS definition - jt 2023-03-24 10:46:15
        Funny. * - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 14:15:28
        Well one thing’s for sure… - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 22:35:14
        And I apologized for my "glib" comment about part time. - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 23:05:47
        That is actually an entirely different point than what you - wpkirish 2023-03-24 11:08:21
        He's pivoting like the ncaa pivots - jt 2023-03-24 12:30:47
        I recognize college sports as we know it will likely not - wpkirish 2023-03-24 12:57:05
        I will be blunt here--I have skin in the game - jt 2023-03-24 16:48:15
        Yeah, right. With your "plan", the rich will get richer and - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 17:16:26
        I can prove you wrong quite easily - jt 2023-03-24 17:39:23
        Or a situation like the NHL experienced. The difference in - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 18:41:57
        It's honestly comical at this point. * - smithwick 2023-03-24 12:45:33
        so because it's not sustainable for most college - jt 2023-03-23 23:36:18
        Athletes have other options. Stop the straw man approach. * - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 19:16:21
        what other options would those be? - jt 2023-03-26 11:25:30
        All athletes should have the freedom to "go pro" whenever - Irishdog80 2023-03-26 14:36:52
        What is your definition of "full time"? * - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 17:03:32
        Here is why I dont consider it part time. - wpkirish 2023-03-23 17:17:13
        How about the off season and summer? One of my pet - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 17:52:16
        Summer practice is usually 3-4 hours per day - jt 2023-03-23 18:18:14
        I get that they work hard and it is a choice they made. Coal - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 22:07:30
        don't be obtuse - jt 2023-03-23 23:29:32
        "Athletes aren't subject to market demands" What - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 01:41:39
        So the chiefs should be able to sell that mahomes - jt 2023-03-24 10:57:58
        If you look at my posts, I am consistently for athletes - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 13:47:14
        You literally posted the ND scholarship made them - wpkirish 2023-03-24 14:24:20
        I also acknowledged I was overly "glib" in my "part time" - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 15:01:57
        They are there because they are elite at what they do. Just - wpkirish 2023-03-24 16:32:16
        What's reasonable...for every program...not just the haves? - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 17:18:52
        Why do certain colleges need to be part of a cartel running - wpkirish 2023-03-24 17:44:26
        For the most part, college athletes are well compensated. - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 19:14:26
        if it is so important to have all of these programs - jt 2023-03-24 17:42:13
        NCAA revenue sharing is a whole other discussion. I agree - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 19:18:22
        I think part of the way they do 4 classes and stay on track - wpkirish 2023-03-23 18:01:40
        Both of my sons played "travel" soccer and to a lesser - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 23:21:11
        ah, it all makes sense now. You're a mick - jt 2023-03-23 23:45:25
        Baseball players have summer league games - jt 2023-03-23 18:25:51
        We all make choices about how we spend our time. If a - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 23:11:49
        then if they can't afford to pay their employees - jt 2023-03-23 23:37:21
        The employees are being paid with an athletic scholarship - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 01:07:58
        ...which is less than what the market can bear - jt 2023-03-24 10:44:24
        You say, "The market can and does pay more". OK, prove - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 13:53:14
        right now, there are artificial (and probably illegal) - jt 2023-03-24 17:15:19
        You didn't answer my question. Look at it again. * - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 17:24:38
        I did - jt 2023-03-24 17:44:11
        You didn't. - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 18:47:02
        This is kind of strange. - MrE 2023-03-24 13:57:17
        My point is we are talking about different worlds. The - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 14:48:21
        Sounds like the free market to me. - smithwick 2023-03-24 14:58:47
        So if the college football players at the Top 50-75 programs - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 15:28:09
        I'm sorry to hear about those loss leader sports - jt 2023-03-24 17:16:55
        If the Univeristy values these items why can they fund them? - wpkirish 2023-03-24 16:36:24
        The answer, run correctly, is NIL. At most programs, - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 17:31:39
        the answer is most certainly not NIL - jt 2023-03-24 17:45:35
        We essentially agree. NIL is a tough nut to crack but is a - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 19:20:32
        I think a football player avg wage of $407,000 is fair & - MrE 2023-03-24 17:34:35
        Are you also aware NFL Practice Squad guys earn on average - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 20:44:50
        my number is light as it only gives players 40% of revenue - MrE 2023-03-24 22:36:23
        I truly thought you were just kidding around. What sort - Irishdog80 2023-03-25 12:29:39
        other industries: MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL * - MrE 2023-03-25 14:58:22
        18 yr old adults? CFB = $6B industry (the top 60 teams). - MrE 2023-03-25 14:39:56
        The most sensible step is to have the NCAA lift it's 3 year - Irishdog80 2023-03-26 00:49:47
        step 1: re-distribute the wealth to the players. But I - MrE 2023-03-26 10:52:14
        For who? The NFL rookie minimum is $750,000 and you - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 19:23:43
        sure it is. 50/50 rev share just like NHL, MLB, NFL, MLB - MrE 2023-03-24 22:39:01
        What should D2, D3 & NAIA football programs pay players? * - Irishdog80 2023-03-25 12:37:04
        50% of revenues, or maintain status quo. or...who cares? - MrE 2023-03-25 14:59:44
        Revenues vary by program. A 50/50 split for some would put - Irishdog80 2023-03-25 12:35:39
        What is your definition of "full time"? * - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 17:03:32
        Oh, I've got a pretty good idea alright. * - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 16:14:41
        Yeah, right. * - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 16:27:07
        And incidentally, it's not beef. - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 16:33:03
        In reading through the comments to my comment, I recognize - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 17:00:50
        if schools cannot afford sports and drop them as a result - jt 2023-03-23 19:17:41
        Attention student athletes of America, JT says it's OK if - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 23:13:47
        yes, if the schools can't afford it they should drop it - jt 2023-03-23 23:40:38
        If the billionaires decide, Notre Dame has the capacity - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 01:21:29
        Yeah, now you're starting to catch on - jt 2023-03-24 11:16:27
        But your words said the opposite. You jump back and forth - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 14:14:26
        you are simply dense - jt 2023-03-24 17:55:48
        CFB is a professional sport, a major league and industry - MrE 2023-03-24 14:20:54
        The NFL and NBA figured it out and put in salary caps and - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 15:15:19
        you know lots of nice little niche business' go out of - jt 2023-03-24 17:59:16
        The CBA story was one of greed doing a league in...a - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 18:52:39
        Now you are just being an asshole - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 15:36:26
        I agree most D1 players put in a lot of extra hours. I also - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 16:21:00
        What about kids on academic scholarship. they are getting - wpkirish 2023-03-23 16:29:49
      - not really - MrE 2023-03-23 14:45:00
      - you're looking at this from an ND scholarship perspective - jt 2023-03-23 14:13:16
        As I have said, "star" players/difference makers deserve - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 14:23:31
        You keep talking about the replacement athlete you do - wpkirish 2023-03-23 14:31:44
        And those 70 players or so are paid with a scholarship * - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 15:11:12
        Sadly those other 75 players would have a tough time paying - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 14:48:40
        it's honestly not as tough as you make it sound - jt 2023-03-23 17:55:59
        I am glad that you know the qualification of the students on - wpkirish 2023-03-23 16:32:15
        My comment had nothing to do with their qualifications - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 17:10:15
        you need the players to play the game - jt 2023-03-23 17:57:36
        I agree that Swarbrick and others are overpaid. He should - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 23:16:52
        boy, you sure are big on redistributing people's salaries - jt 2023-03-23 23:43:06
        Uh, funds would go back into the general scholarship fund - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 01:56:30
        right, income redistribution for the greater good - jt 2023-03-24 12:46:49
        Pick a lane. * - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 14:16:10
        learn how to read and follow along - jt 2023-03-24 18:01:53
        You have waffled between share the wealth and let the - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 18:59:08
        No, I have not - jt 2023-03-25 13:34:12
        Low Skill Jobs v Low Wage Jobs - wpkirish 2023-03-23 18:46:43
        I agree most announcers are overpaid. Back in the day, a - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 02:17:53
        I obviously agree - jt 2023-03-23 19:13:31
        The way this country works is that if your employer does - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 02:07:03
        Of course for many years the entire system was set up to - wpkirish 2023-03-24 12:45:57
        Uh, some college sports are basically part time, some are - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 14:23:24
        I am viewing it through the lens of what I think is right. - wpkirish 2023-03-24 14:47:32
        yes, their stupidity and largess cannot be used as an excuse - MrE 2023-03-24 14:55:47
        The Ivy League doesn’t have sports scholarships * - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 14:26:57
        They do, they just call it something else * - RJD 2023-03-23 14:30:28
        *Sigh* No they don't. - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 14:55:33
        Preferred admissions, not necessarily scholarships - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 14:38:51
        They are scholarships in all but name. * - smithwick 2023-03-23 14:45:43
      - There are only a few schools where scholly is worth that - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 14:12:41
    - Plus, pro athletes have protection from off-season stuff - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 14:02:51
      - The Player's Union's negotiate that issue on the players - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 14:15:04
        Rules that are decided upon by what woud likely be termed an - wpkirish 2023-03-23 14:42:40
        CFB players should unionize & get 40%-48% of revenue - MrE 2023-03-23 14:29:29
        So what happens to the money shared with t9 then? - ravenium 2023-03-23 14:51:19
        Continue to fund those programs and their expenses - MrE 2023-03-23 15:12:09
        That's all fine and well for ND and Alabama or Texas - ravenium 2023-03-23 15:44:59
        Revenue sharing should be the model. - MrE 2023-03-23 15:49:27
        He rakes in 3 mil a year - ravenium 2023-03-23 15:58:51
        Respectfully, this post has significant errors - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 16:13:47
        fair, this was my fault for not putting more reading into it - ravenium 2023-03-23 19:58:16
  - This is only "true" because this is how it was always done - wpkirish 2023-03-23 13:55:02
  - There is zero TV revenue without those 2 and 3-star guys - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 13:45:30
    - I don't think that's correct. They'd just prune the league. - tdiddy07 2023-03-23 14:19:42
    - Are you saying people tune in to watch role players at - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 14:01:54
      - Same with bench guys on NFL. - MrE 2023-03-23 14:39:04
        Agree with much of what you are saying, but. disagree about - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 15:45:41
        but maybe we just start with changing the model for CFB. - MrE 2023-03-23 15:51:59
        The concern I have is that by "changing the model", college - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 16:01:05
      - There’d be no games! - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 14:05:24
      - there wouldn't be a game without those guys - jt 2023-03-23 14:03:41
        Fact is, they tune in to watch star players and their team - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 14:28:29
        it doesn't matter who they are specifically tuning in for - jt 2023-03-23 17:58:42
        As a Kansas Citian, people said the Chiefs could not win - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 22:40:14
        So the three start who works his ass off every day for five - wpkirish 2023-03-23 14:40:21
        The two and three star guys are paid with scholarships of - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 15:23:57
        Agree here. It's the sports world, like the NFL or NBA etc. - MrE 2023-03-23 15:28:29
        The NFL has a minimum salary * - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 15:38:24
        Yes, I'd pay a 2- or 3-star $100,000 per year on average - MrE 2023-03-23 15:47:33
        Would the 100k for 2-3 stars apply to all D1 programs? - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 16:25:27
        I recommend $30M-40M/yr for CFB player payroll per team - MrE 2023-03-23 16:28:31
        Most of those athletic departments are funding other - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 16:36:28
        I don't know. - MrE 2023-03-23 16:37:53
        "Collateral damage" is guaranteed as all the money gets - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 17:33:59
        nobody watches the have-nots anyways. Except gamblers - MrE 2023-03-24 17:36:56
        Agreed and a potential future of college football D1 * - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 18:54:29
        He's likely appropriately compensated by his scholarship. - tdiddy07 2023-03-23 14:46:01
        The OP said he would be overpaid if they ride the bench, - wpkirish 2023-03-23 14:58:53
        Technically, they are overpaid if they don't play. Ask - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 15:26:31
        Key phrase of course being they had a choice. - wpkirish 2023-03-23 18:43:03
        He’d be compensated more with revenue sharing for players - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 14:51:52
        I don't think that's a sound assumption. - tdiddy07 2023-03-23 15:33:32
        So you are saying players should be paid for not being - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 15:30:06
        50% to players for all FRR (Football Related Revenue) - MrE 2023-03-24 16:10:30
        What sort of numbers are you saying would work for players? * - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 17:21:09
yes, they are spending that kind of time - jt 2023-03-23 13:14:57
- For most of the year, what you described is what most - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 13:55:35
  - Well the typical ND student also has the right and ability - wpkirish 2023-03-23 14:13:37
    - ESPN and others have caused an explosion in content with - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 15:39:38
  - I think it's funny that you're lecturing me as to the - jt 2023-03-23 14:09:49
    - You have no idea who I know and what I know...so go on. - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 15:53:42
      - and you have no idea who I know - jt 2023-03-23 18:02:09
        The market you describe is the old one. Though there has - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 14:34:19
  - Pro athletes have revenue sharing! - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 13:59:13
- Here's a good example from a non-revenue athlete (link) - nohow 2023-03-23 13:18:46