In reply to: Good post. A few thoughts: posted by oneill3b
See the first line. There are many others.
I obviously didn't read the post the same way you did. Where are the "many others"? I want examples, lots of them. A single post, which is saying those who are certain Kelly is the answer are beyond hope, isn't really supporting your claim.
BeijingIrish: "It starts with a discreet chat Swarbrick has with Kelly alerting him that Stanford will be his last game."
I want people saying, specifically, Kelly will fail, with certainty, and that we need a new coach, right now.
That's not being said, and we both know it.
But hey, keep responding to something that isn't there.
This is kind of a silly pissing match, but with all due respect, I think you are the one employing a red herring. Here's what I said:
"Much of the discord here stems from reactions by people who feel this way to posters who seem to conclude, with certitude, that Kelly is doomed to follow the path of Davie, Willingham, and Weis."
"Yet many posts on this board (not yours) reflect a conclusion that there is simply no way Kelly will turn this around."
Here is what you suggested I was looking for: "I want people saying, specifically, Kelly will fail, with certainty, and that we need a new coach, right now."
There's a significant gulf there. I've never claimed people have said we need a new coach, right now. But the posts I've highlighted say, respectively, we need a new coach at the end of this season, and, anyone who thinks Kelly might still succeed is so far gone as to not be reasoned with. I think that both reflect a certainty on the part of the poster that Kelly will fail. If not, why replace him at the end of this year, and why say posters who think he could still succeed are not worth considering?
I know this is silly, but I just don't get how one could read the board and not conclude that there are several posters who appear to be certain that Kelly will fail.
Brian Kelly will fail at Notre Dame. There is still time for those changes to be made, but I have no faith he will make them. If he doesn't, I am fully convinced that he will fail and would prefer that we immediately begin searching for a replacement.
This qualifier is important
"There is still time for those changes to be made, but I have no faith he will make them"
It allows for the opportunity to fix things. I'd be curious what the original poster says.
I'll say this, Kelly cannot keep doing what he's currently doing, it isn't working.
is that it is at least more reasonable than concluding that Kelly is bound to fail, period. I happen to think it's premature to conclude that he will fail unless he makes dramatic overhauls, but I could understand at this point why someone would disagree with that.
to be (nearly) universally the position of those you suggest are certain Kelly will fail.
I will say this, I think we've all been beaten down way too much, and Cross is right. This is sad and getting old. I had a good converstation with a life long friend who went to ND as well. We have memories of the good times, but they are distant, very distant, and getting more so with each passing day.
I really am getting tired of all of this, it really does suck for everyone.