Erin Boley
by ibleedgreen (2019-02-10 20:43:14)

I wish she was still playing for us. What were
The circumstances of her transferring?
It’s hard to find shooters like that. She may be
slow but could be the best shooter out there.
Dang that’s a big blow for us, especially next year.


Boley's health
by NDLOVE42  (2019-02-11 16:54:37)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I'm amazed that she can still walk as many times as she has been as she has been beat up on here! She's gone, she's not coming back so please stop bringing it up. It doesn't deserve this much board time.


My take: ND benefited last yr, Boley/Oregon benefited this
by Domerduck  (2019-02-11 11:00:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

year. Let me start with all of us realizing that last year was the best/most exciting year ND Women's bball has ever had. I suggest if Boley was here the team would not have won it all. Muffet would have tried to put her in, probably taking minutes from Marina or Kat. I don't think she would have started but 1st off the bench. My question to all of you do you think she would have started this year. I suggest no with the 5 we have, So this year she wouldn't have started at ND and as NDLaw just posted, last year our chemistry improved without her.

As for this year as tradition & dillon point out Boley significantly benefits being with Sabrina. Guess who recruited her to Oregon-Sabrina-given they played together on Allstar games and National teams. Graves saw her fit to shoot 3's to replace Lexi Bando when she graduated. Last year, she played a big role as a practice player which helped her fit in so the team chemistry works at Oregon well with her. In fact she has started every game for the Ducks this year.

Initially she just shot well as her primary role, but lately she has improved her D (especially when they are in zone) and her rebounding. Her length is a big advantage on the team even if she is slower than the rest. Sabrina clearly is the leader although senior Cazorla is also critical, but everyone has their role. i don't see her as a selfish player as she does the little things and when they need speed or man to man D they bring in Chavez, who has been phenomenal off the bench.

I can see why people want her to stay at ND, but Erin was better off making the change and I think ND was too. Hopefully these two team don't have to meet in the NCAA tourney unless it is for all the marbles. I'll take that.


Bracketology
by Domer65  (2019-02-11 13:02:44)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The latest projections from Charlie Creme have ND and Oregon in the same bracket for the tournament - this can always change.


I wish Montana didn't get injured in the 1990 NFC Title Game
by Murcer68  (2019-02-10 21:24:07)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The Niners were winning in the fourth quarter. The Giants knocked him out of the game and NY went on to win. Joe never got the starting job back. If he hadn't gotten injured, the Niners win the Super Bowl that year, and you figure Joe could get another title with SF in 1994 too. That would make two more Super Bowl wins and Joe would have six. Anyone who is still reading at this point, may wonder why I allow myself to live in the past and obsess about some alternate history that never happened. Yes, that's the point I'm trying to make.


And you made it well. But still. . . *
by domerfromkansas  (2019-02-10 21:46:20)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Boley's transfer
by tedstheman  (2019-02-10 21:07:03)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

She is a great shooter, that's never been a question. While the reason for her transfer isn't known here it is likely she was being asked to do things outside of her comfort zone like rebound and play defense. Watching her at Oregon it seems she is allowed to hang out at the 3 point line and launch 3's. Yes, we could have used her shooting but unless she was committed to other parts of the game I don't think she was a good fit in our program.


She would be the best shooter
by ibleedgreen  (2019-02-11 01:36:57)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

on our team. Especially from beyond the arc.
Ya, who needs that.lol. As a coach you make it work.
Have you seen us play defense? She would be fine.
I hope we don’t end up in Portland. Ducks are
are my pick to take it all. Hoping SI goes pro.


Don't tell that to Marina Mabrey
by MackyBoy  (2019-02-12 09:15:33)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

That would be one helluva 3 pt. shooting contest.


Only a good shooter when..
by traditionnevergraduates  (2019-02-11 07:12:09)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

the defense needs to focus on triple double star. She can't unload the shot fast enough if the defense has a focus on her.


That Thought & Others Came To Mind...
by dillon77  (2019-02-11 09:14:22)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

...while watching the Oregon vs. Stanford game last night. Coincidentally enough, I had just finished a give and take with Domerduck on the Irish bench, so that factored into my perspective.

- Erin Boley is a great open shooter. When she was at ND, she benefited from the Princeton-based offense to receive passes when she was open. And she -- all power to her -- drilled them very nicely. (Remember the Ohio State game?)

- Like you, I think Boley now benefits greatly from Sabrina Ionescu. One is the attention Ionescu garners and the other way is that Ioncescu sees the floor well and is an adept passer off the drive.
Carzola is an adept passer as well (but Ionescu is the focal point) and, as such, all the Ducks -- particularly Boley and Hebard -- benefit.

- ESPN In-game and in-studio hosts brought up that Erin seems to be sitting at the three-point line most of the time. I don't know how much of that is by design (the Ionescu point) or the fact that Hebard and/or Sebally take care of a lot of the other forward-type issues (screening) on offense, but -- at least yesterday -- Boley looked very few-dimensional. (I rely on Domerduck for further insights.) And, quite candidly, her foot speed and movement didn't look like it could create other types of shots (say, like Jess is able to. Or "even" Kat, for that matter who could shoot the "J" and drive the lane.)

- That said, her open jump shooting is lethal and could be a benefit to anyone. And to Domerduck's steadfast points yesterday, the bench he's looking for in this year's Irish squad is largely playing in Eugene and Bloomington right now. Having Erin come in and drill threes or pull defenses out would've been a benefit, as would Alli's point guard skills.

- That said, the Erin Boley I watched yesterday wouldn't be a high post in the ND system. Not sure that's in her hoops DNA: Erin looks to be a finisher, not a starter or cog in the process. (The preferred play of ND's high post is multi-dimensional and demanding.)

- So short term for the Irish, one can see how we got to this place personnel-wise, and how expectations have to be in moderation for what the Irish have to work with. Luckily, we can score with the best of 'em. Plug away Abby, Dani, Mik and Jordan.

- Looking ahead for the Irish: it will be really interesting to see what next year brings with Dani P. and the arrival of Sam Brunelle. How will those skill sets be utilized?

- And for the Ducks, just what happens to that "system" without Ionescu around? It's not just Boley that benefits. Hebard (who to her credit positions herself well) gets the ball right where she needs it from Ionescu. Graves depends on a wunderkind point guard. (Note to Niele: multiple tickets to Iowa and/or Minneapolis!)


Chemistry
by NDLAW88  (2019-02-11 10:31:05)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I always got the sense that whatever ND lost from Boley's transfer in terms of offensive skills was made up for in spades by a better sense of team chemistry. A sense of entitlement from Boley? A "I'm going to get mine" ego? Unwillingness to rebound and dig in on D? I don't know but I seem to recall there being some suggestion that it was addition by subtraction.


Her approach
by hulabuddha  (2019-02-11 10:25:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Sorry - a senior moment.
She is an excellent three point shooter, not much else.
She would help our team, this year and any year she was here; but it would be along the lines of her freshman year - temporary offensive relief, and a liability on defense.
At the risk of trying to determine what's in her head, she doesn't seem to want to play defense. She's is slow to pick up her man; she is slow following her man; and she doesn't rebound at all.
She does not move well without the ball and her lack of mobility allows the other team to sag off her more than normal.
I wanted to watch the Stanford-Oregon game to see how she did. I wanted her to play better, but she'll never be a complete player. She simply doesn't have those skills or want to utilize them.


As my post above indicated, I am a little higher on her.
by Domerduck  (2019-02-11 11:07:58)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Still I understand your opinion on Erin and maybe I am biased since I also like the Oregon teams.


Her approach *
by hulabuddha  (2019-02-11 10:17:14)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post