Danielle has apparently decided to transfer. While I'm disappointed in her decision, I think it's best to accept it for what it is. At this point any discussion of who's at fault or analysis of her play seems pointless. If she leaves, I'll wish her well, but not fawn over her play elsewhere.
This board is great for recruiting information and game analysis. The obsession with JY and DP creates a TMZ impression that negates a great part of the contributions to this board.
Whatever the major news of the moment is, is probably going to be discussed.
She really did not earn her playing time with the team they had. You've got to add something that no one else could. That's what Abby did.
I agree that there was more of a conflict somewhere that we don't know about.
Unfortunately, in today's college basketball, its the era of free transfers. Must be very difficult for college coaches to keep a program on an even keel.
She's the only one who had 2 healthy seasons. As a freshman she played 411 minutes. Vaughn only played 79 (due to injury).
However, this past season, Patterson's 351 minutes were behind Prohaska (549 minutes), Nixon (377 minutes, despite injury problems during the season), and Vaughn (364 minutes).
she seemed to be in the wrong place more often then not, contrast that with Abbie or even Mik.
I think the decisions were made before games started. They had her playing
a couple different positions and one she was not familiar with. She was
never a 3.
...Once the season starts practice minutes are limited by the NCAA. So
coaches are more concerned with preparing for the next game. Being a
back up her time with the first unit very limited.
...Not the coaches fault and not the players. Blame it on Davie if you
want. But there are a lot of stupid rules out there that are not in the
best interest of the player, team or game.
...If it were up to me. I would fire the NCAA.
... I am not convinced this new rule on transfer is in the best interest
of the player or the game.I think the NCAA just opened up Pendoras Box.
This could hurt Dani more than it helps her. That is my big concern.
We do not know what is going through her head and what was the straw that
broke the camels back. But when it does come up. You have to take a
couple steps back and analysis what is happening, what the problem is,
and how to resolve it. Coaches and friends should also have been
involved.
...Just my unprofessional opinion. Bottom Line it is bad situation
for both Dani and the team.
SEG/Chief
More often than not, she seemed out of place, confused and tentative. I'm sure she would have gotten more playing time if she would have given us a better chance to win.
Her issues were not physical. She has always looked athletic. But she made far too many mistakes during her limited minutes. It seems odd that someone as bright and articulate as she continually had mental breakdowns.
but I felt she did a poor job protecting the ball. She seemed to struggle as the outlet person whenever other teams would press. She frequently gave up the ball/had it stripped when pressured.
I know she was highly ranked/recruited but she never seemed to seize the opportunities she had, especially as a freshman when all the injuries arose. I can't imagine her playing ahead of Sam or even Abby (regardless of position, I think Abby would do a better job on defense/outside shooting and passing).
you keep talking about she got a lot of playing time. The most turnovers in
one game was 2. That was not often. Now Mik did show alot of bad hands and
outlet passes. You seem to reach out and justify her departure. You have
to play more than 5 minutes a game to account for all the problems she
made.
...Abby was not a home run hitter. She committed way to many turnovers
and fouls. Constantly off balance.
...If you are going to attack players and mention their mistakes. Do it
all of them or none. Just because she decided to look at other schools.
Does not justify the bashing she takes.
...Did Dani cost ND the NC. Did she cost ND the 4 losses. No she did not.
She was not on the court long enough to make a decision. That was a
coaching decision.
...Based on your scientific data MM was wrong in rewarding her the
most improved player.
...True and loyal fans do not attack past, current, or future players.
So what does that make you.
SEG/Chief
I don't think some of the comments constitute an attack on her. She is probably a very nice person but from my seat as a season ticket holder she never seized the opportunity when she was in the game to warrant more PT and I do not know what she did in practice as I'm not privy to that but I do not think the other poster was attacking her
I may not have made my point correctly. Your right and I agree with your
points.
...My problem is this. Ever since I was a young seaman in the Navy I have
bee a root cause type of person. To get somewhere you have to start
somewhere.
...I also take that into sports. My answer is timing. You are right. She
did not always seem to be at the right place at the right time. But what
would cause that. My response would be timing and opportunity. Not to
pick on Abby buy with her MM just said attack and find ball. She had a
simple game plan. Dani on the other hand was playing and learning 2
different positions at the same time.
...There is no one to blame but the system. Dani just needed more playing
time to feel comfortable what she was doing. There are times you did
see that spark. But because of confidence in not playing regularly. They
were just steps. As fans we are looking at the big picture not the
small picture. Again, nothing wrong with that either. Dani just got
caught up in the system.
...This is the part I totally agree with everyone. The time was there
for her to seize the opportunity. She has the athletic ability and
skill and now opportunity to show everyone what she was recruited to do.
But time and emotions may have gotten in the way. Until she signs on
the doted line with another school. She in my eyes is still Irish.
I will go to my wifes grotto every day and hope she decides, maybe
being Irish is my best option.
...I apologize that I was not clear in my meaning earlier. My bust and
I take responsibility for my errors. I have a bad happen in the little
guy or underdog. Just my makeup and what I learned in my years in the
service.
...One of these days I will learn to make a shorter post. My doc once
told me after I was in lah lah land for 3 days. I would have a runny
mouth. She did not mention it would also affect my fingers. I have not
shut up since. I am trying very very very very very hard in making
my post more readable. Who wants to read a novel on the internet. I
wonder if I can get a Pulitzer for my long posts. Thanks for your
understanding.
SEG/Chief
If I want to read a novel I can use my Kindle.
Just do not get the post police involved. Ruin my record. Thanks for your
patience to all that dealt with my lengthy posts. I got carried away with
my thought process.
SEG/Chief
Coaches, players, and friends should have seen there was a problem. I
saw it from the T.V. and so did someone else on this board. She was
constantly looking over at the bench to see if the coaches were yanking
her or upset with her. That is no way to play. Her mind could not have
been on what she was suppost to do. She was concerned about the little
playing time she was getting.
SEG/Chief
But on the other hand, she is now on a position to get the most minutes on the team next year and she is leaving.
I'm sure there's more to it, that both parties are graciously handling during interviews.
Personally, I am sorry to see her leave, like I was with Patberg.
Some can wait for their moment and work through disappointments and others now have the different route of the transfer portal available. She’s missing a big chance to be a part of the leadership of a special team, imo, but wish her the best, day goodbye and move on with those who are here and will be coming in. She’s gone and all my support goes to the ND players and coaches.
I agree with you that every player is different and every player handles
different situations differently. This is like any other job. You have
to know your people. You treat them all the same, however, some respond
to criticism differently. As talked about before. Dani was always looking
over her shoulders. I watched almost every game this year. When she did
get in. You could see her looking to the bench after she would make a
mistake. That is bad. Make the mistake, correct it, and move on. I
do not think she always did.
...Maybe just maybe that had some influence on her decision to transfer.
...The part about moving on. I am not there yet. The door is still a
crack open. Until it is totally closed and she commits to another
school. She is still IRISH. Even MM said the door is still open for
her.
...I hope she does this the smart way. Look at other schools but do not
forget what is still available to you. It still maybe her best option.
...I am hoping time away will give her a chance to get her emotions
under control and rethink about her decision.
...Like it was mentioned before. The grass is not always greener.
...One final comment. I hate transfers. That is something you do not
plan on. We have a possibility of 4 transfers in about 5 years or
less. That is way to many. Not like other schools but it is still to
high. 1 is to many. What I hope happens is the coaches get together and
brain storm to see what went wrong and what they can do to fix it from
continuing.
SEG/Chief
but it sure seems as if she has officially closed that door and the transfer is merely down to where, not if, she’ll do it.
I think we’re seeing a big change in women’s and men’s b ball to a new transfer paradigm. It may or may not continue to keep growing at the rate that it appears to be now, but it’s certainly an adjustment and effect that all coaches, and us fans, are going to have to account for and adapt to.
My kids graduated from college in 2016 and 2018.
It could be my imagination, but there seemed to be a pronounced increase in college transfers among regular students in my kid's classes than I recall in my days in school.
I always felt that kids who transfer are at a big disadvantge socially because they missed relatuonships that began in the first 1 or 2 years as students. Having said that, if the situation was really bad, a transfer could certainly improve the situation.
Whatever the reason and outcome, it just seemed to me that many more kids these days are transferring.Possibly the same thing we are seeing with athletes?
Anyone else notice this?
My daughter's class seemed to have a lot of transfers and kids leaving college. I always wondered if kids struggle to transition to college because their lives are so structured and ordered through high school and they are unprepared to have the discipline to handle free time once they're on their own.
I went 1500 miles away from school. It was an adjustment because I had no parents to tell me what to do. I struggled as a sophomore but I also learned that I could live without my parents.
Transfers. I am just observing many more.
You are right and I think this might become a big issue in the near
future for all schools if the do not get a hold of it now. Either
student athletes or putting enough time and thought into or the
emotions of the moment are leading them away. I have no problems
with transfer. But lets not make it to easy for them that they make
an emotional decision and not the best decision. I hope I put my
thought out there easy enough to understand.
...Doc I love reading your point. They are on point and easy to
understand and given with a lot of thought and knowledge. Thanks.
SEG/Chief
I played a lot of sports in my younger days. I was both a starter and bench
warmer. I took me a lot of patience, hard work, and luck of the Irish
to rid me of the bench. I have a good idea what she is feeling. I was going
to be tougher than the coaches. I was going to prove them wrong. It hurts
a lot knowing you should be playing in front of the person that is
currently starting. Good things happen to those that have patience.
... I am hoping she will see what she will miss and the friendships that
she made will be stronger than what is pushing her out the door. I am
hoping time will be on our and her side. For I do believe she is making
a mistake. But I will support her final decision.
...Going to another school will not guarantee her the tools she will need
to get into pro ball. Same thing with the player went out to Oregon. I
did not see anything that would get her drafted in the WNBA.
Hopes and Prayers. Hopes and Prayers.
...Besides I would never put my wants ahead of the teams needs. Never.
SEG/Chief
P.S. I am hoping someone will sit down with her and give her good
advice and not what she wants to hear.
I do not think I ever hid that she was one of my favorites. I think she
deserved more minutes. Right or wrong or in different, seeing a freshman
getting almost twice your playing time had to hurt. All these women were
highly rated coming out of HS. She took hits her freshman year and took
them like a team player. Her thinking could have been I will show them
I should play more. Well, It did not work out for her at ND. I really
wish her the best.
...The coaching staff I hope gets together and talks about these transfers,
especially Dani. They may in the future have to change up how they prepare
a team and use more players.
...I hope they handle Cosgrove a little different.
SEG/Chief
Dani played 10.6 minutes per game, or slightly more than 1/20th of the available minutes.
She averaged 2.9 points per game. If all her team mates averaged 2.9 points per 10 minutes of playing time, the team would score an average 58 points per game.
Dani averaged 1.5 rebounds per game. If all her team mates averaged 1.5 rebounds per game,
the team would have gotten 30 rebounds per game.
Teams that average 58 points and 30 rebounds a game tend to lose.
Whether Dani stays with ND or transfers, she needs to bring "more" to the table. Abby wasn't a great scorer, but it is clear to everybody why Coach had her on the floor as much as she did.
I like Dani. I like her shot. I like her size. I think she can guard a lot of opposing players. I hope she stays. But if she wants more floor time, she will have to give her coach, Muffet or her new coach, "more" of something that the coach wants.
I am sure Muffet did not bring Dani to ND to have her play 10 minutes a game, or to have her warm
the bench. And I believe Muffet plays the players that she believes will give ND the best chance at winning.
Whether Dani goes or stays, she will have to demonsrtate to her coach that she belongs on the floor for more minutes.
I hope she stays and proves to Muffet that she deserves heavy minutes.
I am going to be nice and not attack your post. Your way off target on
your thinking and numbers. Comparing her numbers to the other players is
not fair or accurate.
...Besides her numbers for the little amount of time she was on the court
are quite good. At this stage in her career her goal was defense and
rebound. The young woman plated hard every game. You can see that. She
also played scared every game. Always looking to the bench for a butt
chewing or replaced. No other player dealt with that.
...If you are using numbers and expectations for all players. Than the
games Marina did not score 1 point should have gotten her the bench.
Arikes turnovers and thinking me first instead of team. How about the bad
passes by Jess and Jackie. How about the lack of defense from the entire
starting 5. A little defense and this team would have been undefeated.
...So do not look at just one players lack of performance because of
minimum playing time.
...If you have not figured it out. Her transfer is more than just about
playing time, that we will ever know.
...We do not know what went on behind close doors. Meaning their practices.
It is safe to say she received just about the same amount of practice time
with the first unit as playing time in a game. Coaches are limited on
amount of practice time minutes by NCAA. They have to ensure the starters
are prepared for the next game.
...We all know MM does not like to use a bench. But how do you learn if
you do not play. 5 -10 minutes a game is not going to cut it. There quite
a few games she got 0 - 5 minutes. MM decides each game who is going to
play and how much. What does she go by to make that determination, ask
her. It is her team.
...Do not compare her time and effort with Abby. Different type of players.
And different things were asked of each player. Abby was sent out to run,
jump and cause trouble. Was not asked to score.
...I will stop here. Dani came to ND to fulfill her dreams. She tried,
she gave it 2 years and something inside clicked in her. She fills she
needs to move on to fulfill those dreams. I frankly hope she rethinks
her decision. I think where ever she goes the best in her is going
to show up. With confidence in herself, coaches, and team mates. The best
is in front of her. She whats everyone to see what kind of player she
really is. Not the clean up player she has been for 2 years.
...I apologize to the board and fellow members for my post. Like I said
before. I will always defend the underdog. There is 2 sides to every
guy for her time at ND. I will follow her where ever she lands. Just the
way I am.
SEG/Chief
Some people have to stop imagining different scenarios that are nothing more than your stories. Please stop
thing you do not have. I have been there. Lived through it. Do not
think you were there with me.
If she is that bad and does not stand a chance. What are you going to do
if she thinks about it. Decides she did make a mistake and rejoins the
team. Who is the bad guy than. Surely, not her. She is still a
human being.
SEG/Chief
Doesn't make her a bad person but she never "seized the moment" by showing she belonged on the court. You don't want to be her "BYE BYE" & good luck