Someone needs to sack offsides VAR
by spade (2019-12-29 12:26:07)
Edited on 2019-12-29 12:35:30

Or elsewise it needs serious revision


Thoughts about the Declan Rice Handball and no goal?
by spade  (2020-01-12 20:02:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Per the letter of the law, that's a handball, but for an opponent to strike it directly to your hand at such extrememly close distance and that somehow penalize the offensive players fault is ludicrious.

The EPL needs some stringent clarification to their rules book. And how far back into build-ups does VAR re-adjudicate? I remember for Liverpool a VVD possible handball, but it wasn't even looked at for VAR because it was 3+ touches away from the goal, but clearly allowed for VVD to retain possession. It is the inconsistency of what is clear and obvious that seems to be a headache to me


The VVD "handball" was looked at.
by NDBass  (2020-01-13 07:05:34)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

They said it was inconclusive.


I think this is only an EPL issue...
by iudomer  (2019-12-30 09:58:09)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

it's managed very well in the BuLi and MLS.


I think they need to add some sort of distance.
by NDBass  (2019-12-29 12:39:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

If it isn't a certain distance off, it isn't clear and obvious. I think there's still too much human interaction with setting the lines to be black and white. It also doesn't seem to be in the spirit of the game to me. And I think it should only look at the feet.


The "only feet" review doesn't make any sense.
by NDMike2001  (2019-12-30 10:54:26)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

A diving header with the person's entire torso offsides wouldn't be overturned?

IMO, they just need to let the linesmen call the game. If they are flagged for offsides then so be it. On the other hand, if it is a goal they can review for any clear and obvious errors. In other words, VAR should account for human error and just letting the game be played. But if there's something obvious (by a defined amount like 6-10 inches), then that can be overturned.


That's one hell of a diving header!
by NDBass  (2019-12-30 16:55:25)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I want to see that happen. The skill involved must be off the charts for both the goal scorer and the assist maker. To be able to dive such that half of your torso is offside when the ball is struck and remain in the air long enough to head the ball in would be an insane feat of athleticism. And to be able to deliver a ball to another player's head who is already diving when you're kicking the ball? Tremendous!

Joking aside, I didn't think it all the way through. That was just my immediate reaction to seeing too many armpits, toenails, and scrotums having lines drawn on them.

Arlo White's tweet (linked in this thread) is probably the closest to what I'm thinking. Have a broad line from the second to last defender. If any part of an offensive player that can score a goal is past the line, then it is offside. Not sure what would be a good length of that line to take into account the spirit of the law/human error/clear and obvious - 6"? 8"?


Ha, funny.
by NDMike2001  (2019-12-31 08:30:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Almost every free kick around the box involves players jockeying for position leaning forward for a header.

Telecasters should start drawing lines from scrotums. Maybe that will force a rule change! haha


Agreed on sacks. *
by Porpoiseboy  (2019-12-31 17:49:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


IMO - two options
by wcnitz  (2019-12-29 16:43:45)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Make it fully software-driven with no human interaction with the decision and thus making it very quickly and without question, or make it such that unless you can glance at it - without lines - and clearly show the positioning is offside, wave it off and move on. If it so close to level you can barely tell, then don't call it.

I don't want to change the 'any part of the body you can score with' aspect, though.


I agree
by ChicagoWave03  (2019-12-29 18:04:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Not sure how realistic the former is, but the latter - clear and obvious, makes sense to me. Arlo white had a similar suggestion


I can get on board with that.
by NDBass  (2019-12-29 17:30:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Software driven being the ideal. Not sure if/when cameras and software will be at that point in every stadium, though.