If FFP were designed to level the playing field and
by CuzTeahan (2022-06-20 11:21:50)

In reply to: Kinda agree, but Qatar > the Walton family  posted by Irish2003


allow for some level of capital investment, I would understand and could support such a system. If it regulated debt, which was one of the original focuses, all the better.

The FFP passed as a bulwark against City and future investment was designed instead to lock the structural advantages of traditional powers through cash flow spending and prevent significant investment or initial capital infusions for anti-competitive reasons.

The truth is City now don't need outside investment and haven't for years.
Their consistency in making Champions League (11 years on the trot), having the good fortune of sharing in the Premier League TV contracts, and regular league successes put them will keep them in the top 3-5 in global revenue for the foreseeable future, so long as they can maintain on field performance, which is fortunate for their fans, as they are exceptionally well-run.

Thanks for the thoughtful post, BTW.


Thank you, likewise, and wish I had a better solution!
by Irish2003  (2022-06-25 16:52:49)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

On paper, I should greatly dislike City as a petroclub and with Pep, but actually respect how they've built a real club rather than just grab-bagging like my own Galacticos (the recent restraint has been a pleasant surprise) and more recently Qatar's binge, and guys like Kompany, Silva, KDB are also very likable. Your our last paragraph is dead-on too, where they may have needed the capital initially, but they're now a well-run machine (Ferran IMO is whom PSG lacked) that has a structure and revenue in place to consistently win. Barca's financial collapse has been sad to watch, and while I don't know what the exact solution is, I think something like your point on debt + the Bundesliga model may be more sustainable for the game as a whole, even if big money is here to stay


That revenue certainly won't come from ticket sales *
by siegfried08  (2022-06-21 12:00:38)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


City are 6th in the Premier League in home attendance.
by CuzTeahan  (2022-06-21 14:19:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

288 per game behind Liverpool.


I believe they are in the bottom half of capacity %
by siegfried08  (2022-06-21 14:26:14)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Just some ribbing, ticket sales are a drop in the bucket compared to TV and sponsorship money.

And to the larger point, two responses. First, I don't think it's fair to equate shirt sponsors to actual ownership of the club -- those are clearly two different things. But regardless, I don't think City's ownership is nearly as problematic as PSG or Newcastle. The latter two are pretty clearly sportswashing endeavors owned by regimes that cast aside human rights like tissue paper. The UAE/Sheikh Mansour seem to be just splashing cash on a vanity project. Arguably bad for competitive balance, but if the money is being spent within the rules, I don't have an issue with it.


All good
by CuzTeahan  (2022-06-21 18:23:21)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I mostly was responding to Mike's comment that no one can should oil money by noting how pervasive those and similar socially challenged industries are throughout football, through ownership and for far longer through sponsorships that were never seen as particularly problematic.

I like to think the City Group is more than a vanity project and that the team acquisitions (most recently adding Uruguay, Brazil and Italy (the latter two not yet closed) is a pretty innovative and well run model, but recognize I'm disposed to that conclusion.


Exactly. If you want to limit City’s spending, along with
by tex29  (2022-06-20 20:15:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

everyone else’s, so that no club can get a competitive advantage by outspending opponents, I can support that. Even if it’s bad for my favorite club. There is something to be said for promoting parity and allowing supporters of all clubs to feel like they have a chance to win if their organizations are run well enough.

But Tebas and the rest of the old elite who are complaining about City’s supposedly outlandish spending—besides being complete hypocrites—aren’t interested in having a level playing field. They want to have the deck stacked in their favor. It’s a sham, and it isn’t justified by concerns about sports washing.

And if we are going to start canceling football owners because we don’t approve of their off-field relationships, that’s fine—they just did it to Chelsea. But you should be consistent in that endeavor as well. So no sponsorships or investments originating from countries with dubious human rights records. And why limit it to human rights? What about unethical business practices? I find it interesting that the moral lines in the sand everyone seems willing to draw end right about at the point where it would start adversely affecting the other big clubs.