Unsurprising, but poor handling of the situation by all.
by Grace91 (2024-04-06 12:43:51)
Edited on 2024-04-06 13:08:11

In reply to: They are not starting Korbin in today's match. Shaw starting  posted by Domerduck


Korbin for her social media activity, the rest for the witch hunt. If this is what the USWNT wants to be, they deserve everything that comes their way. Lalas' comments linked elsewhere in the thread were right.


She liked a post saying that her teammate tearing her
by mattchell  (2024-04-06 20:01:46)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Achilles is a sign there is a god.

Aside from someone hacking her account, which she admits didn’t happen, there is no possible interpretation of that that isn’t horrifically terrible.

She’s lucky she wasn’t permanently banned from the pool. There is no witch-hunt. There is simply a young woman who made an extremely poor choice and has to deal with the consequences.

Imagine for a second if the tables were turned and Rapinoe said that about her.


lots of suggestions out there that
by irishlawyer  (2024-04-07 09:57:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

the post in question about the Achilles was a photoshop. The reposts of the pronouns vid and the sermon were real.

Lets remember that Korbin graduated homeschool high school in three years and played at ND for 2 years before jointing wht world of international football.

Her agent should have been smarter about her social media.


Have you seen the video of the "sermon"? I use quotation...
by Cavanaugh82  (2024-04-10 04:49:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

marks because the portion of the video that I saw was a young man testifying about his experiences and struggles with his sexuality, gender identity, addictions to drugs, alcohol and pornography and how he felt that finding Jesus/God had saved him.

The place where I saw the parts of the video was defending Korbin so it very well might have been edited just to show a part that was most beneficial to her. It was not anti-LGBTQ, it was pro-Jesus.

Social media, unfortunately, is one of the critical determinants of an athlete's commercial potential including NIL valuation. The Cavinder twins and Olivia Dunne are just a few examples of athletes with commercial value far exceeding their athletic accomplishments due entirely to social media so it is understandable why advisers and agents would encourage them to participate but it's also such a minefield that you would think/hope that they would get education and training of how to navigate them successfully. At the very least they should be monitored in order to catch those activities that they might want to remove.

Korbin is not yet at the superstar level that would generate the kind of agency commissions that would support individualized monitors. Still, it seems like she should have gotten better advice here and, ultimately, it was her decision to post what she did so the accountability is with her.


She should not have liked said post. But apparently Rapinoe
by Grace91  (2024-04-06 20:45:40)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

stated that her tearing her achilles is a sign that there is not a God. I find that important context for the post that she apparently liked. I do not think that said post should have been made by whomever it was who did so, nor should Korbin have liked it.

You disagree with calling it a witch hunt, fine. But there is no doubt that the response has been completely one-sided and absent any context. Horan failed miserably as a captain in her statements. She could have expressed the same disappointment while also noting the importance of helping others learn and grow. She did not do so publicly. That's a failure of leadership. Horan is nearly 30. Morgan, who also provided a statement, is nearly 35. They have significantly more life experience than Albert and should have made use of it. Rapinoe will be 40 this year. As the aggrieved party she deserves more slack, but she is roughly twice Albert's age, made a statement that some might find objectionable (although I agree that it is of a different magnitude), and lashed out with no public attempt to help Albert to see the error of her ways, rather, in my opinion she knowingly and intentionally unleashed a firestorm.

Albert absolutely and unquestionably was wrong. She should not have done what she did. No one should be happy at another's injury, and in particular not that of a former teammate of one's new teammates. I'm not disputing that. However, she did it, she acknowledged her mistake and its impact, and she apologized. She's also still basically a kid, or if you wish, a very young adult. Should she be emblazoned with a scarlet letter forevermore? You seem to think so. I could not disagree more.

Regarding your tables turned scenario, Rapinoe is nearly middle-aged. She has 20 years of life experience as an adult, so were she to do something similar, I think that it would speak more poorly of her. I don't believe that she would do so. At the same time, she is no stranger to making declarations that some might find problematic.

I'd like to see more effort, everywhere, to work to be more tolerant, kinder, and working to improve harmony than to create disharmony. Albert failed there. So did Rapinoe, Morgan, Horan, Kilgore, and others.

Have a good evening.


Horan, Rapinoe, and Morgan did nothing wrong
by mattchell  (2024-04-06 21:27:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

They all called out extremely bad judgment. As they should. They don’t owe her any obligation to treat her gently. She did something really stupid. They are closer to the situation than either of us. They are clearly extremely frustrated w her.

The idea that there are two sides to this is insane. No context is required. Rapinoe being an atheist or outspoken in her politics is wholly irrelevant.

At no point did I say Albert should be “emblazoned w a scarlet letter forevermore.” I believe in forgiveness and growth.

But if people leading the USWNT wanted to expel her from the pool because her inclusion spoils the chemistry, it wouldn’t be a stretch, that’s how bad a choice rooting for a teammate’s ruptured Achilles is.

Good evening to you as well.


I think that we are talking past each other a bit, but that
by Grace91  (2024-04-06 22:00:04)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

we're not that far apart on this situation in general.

I think that our basic disagreement is around the response to the situation. I agree that they should have called Albert out. I agree that they do not owe her gentle treatment. I feel that a strong leader would also be one who would act with some kindness as well for a young and foolish colleague.

I am not trying to make this a "two sides" discussion, but it does appear to be a fact that Rapinoe noted that her achilles injury was proof that there was not a God. I don't believe that it is a stretch to infer that the unkind post that Albert liked was a response to that. That's not an attempt at making it ok, but it is context that I believe is important.

My apologies if I misinterpreted your comments or read anything into them that was not there. I wouldn't call Albert's stupid "like" of the post rooting for the injury, but perhaps that's semantics. Also, I don't believe that she and Rapinoe ever were teammates, which although minor is a bit of a difference.

I agree with you that I hope that there is forgiveness and growth out of this whole unfortunate and avoidable mess.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend.


Thanks. I re-read Horan/Morgan/Rapinoe's statements.
by mattchell  (2024-04-07 08:08:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

They said nothing wrong. I found their responses to be fairly restrained in fact.

Horan/Morgan/Rapinoe have won WC's and are ensconced in the culture and heritage of the team. Albert is an extremely talented 20-year-old who all of these leaders want to succeed -- she isn't a threat to them given their age, and they want to win. The reason they are exasperated is because of 1/ how serious these breaches of her teammates' trust are, and 2/ the fact that they were self-inflicted and therefore entirely avoidable.

We agree that the Achilles thing is indefensible. I don't really understand why Rapinoe's comment about no god makes Albert's liking the post any less bad. I think we differ in terms of how serious we think this was. These women devote their lives to this sport. They are all incredible athletes who work their asses off. The spectre of a horrible injury is always a looming nightmare. Making light of an Achilles rupture, or outright rooting for one, is the sort of thing that teammates will take a long time to forgive. And the only excuse is that she was only 20 and clearly brought up the wrong way. She can come back from it, but man, that's really massive breach.

Adding to that is that she willingly reposted other content that is pretty straightfowardly homophobic. It is a simple fact that the USWNT pool is disproportionately LGBTQ, as is their fanbase. As George in "Hoosiers" says, "There are two kinds of dumb: a guy that gets naked and runs out in the snow and howls at the moon, and a guy who does the same thing in my living room. First one don't matter, the second one you're sorta forced to deal with." It isn't political with them, it is personal. You can find Rapinoe annoying (as I do) or find the team's activism offensive (as you might, and as other posters in this thread do, and as Trumpster Alexi Lalas clearly does) and still understand how profoundly personally offensive Albert's posts were to many women on this team.

I am a huge ND fan and an even bigger US soccer fan. I want Albert to succeed; she's an incredible talent. But she has dug herself a massive hole, and needs to make real amends. Her apology was pretty half-assed, and deflecting blame from her because you don't like Rapinoe or "the Twitter mob" doesn't help fix the situation.

Appreciate your respectful back-and-forth, have a great weekend.


The way they handled the Hinkle situation, they are afraid
by Domerduck  (2024-04-06 12:55:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

of that crowd. It's truly sad.