Both seem roughly on our tier - good, solid programs, but a step below the blue bloods that dominate recruiting - yet have been recruiting above their league lately. Brey's resume is surprisingly similar to Altman (I was surprised Altman has 100+ more games coached) and blows away Wade's, and if we can start pulling in an occasional top 10 to complement the expected 15-25 range, we could start doing some damage, especially with the recent Elite 8's and new facility
Oregon of course has the Nike factor, but Altman actually seems similar to Brey as a nice guy but not a Calipari-type salesman, and their recent tourney history has essentially been one game better than ours with the Final Four. Local talent is good but not great, the conference has been middling lately vs the ACC, and they currently have a #8 class with kids from UT, TN, and FL x2. Last year, they had the #3 class, with Bol Bol from Findlay, and 4 stars from NJ, IL, Oak Hill, and Brewster Academy. Their football success kinda makes sense given their focus on California, Southern Cal's mess, and Cristobal being an unproven coach but excellent recruiter, but basketball with a #3 and #8 class vs. the #15-25 range is mind boggling to me.
LSU is another similar one, as despite a solid tradition & good local talent, they have been middling lately. They finished #3 last year, with 2 5 stars from NJ and FL, a hometown 4 star, a FL 4 star, and a TX 3 star. Will Wade may have yet to start shaving, never played (vs a HOF legend like Ewing, whom he pulled Tremont Waters away from), and has no coaching track record, and may well be on the Cristobal side as a charismatic salesman but unproven coach, although they are doing well on the court this year.
First, the Anthony family has been playing this pretty close to the vest overall. There hasn't been a lot of info out there in general, and a lot of people are guessing.
Second, the reason ND started recruiting Cole in the first place is they were encouraged to by his camp.
Greg Anthony is a serious dude who started his own business while at UNLV and made enough money he paid his own way his last season. He's got enough money and I think he's looking for a strong mentor for Cole more then roster construction. It really wouldn't surprise me if he committed to Notre Dame he'd stay two years.
I think the fact someone like Anthony would make that choice in terms of what's best for son as a person vs just what people can get out of in recruitment in the easiest way (whether cash or achievements or ???) for a year would make me feel better about college basketball recruiting as a whole.
Like he did with Demetrius Jackson. It tells me he doesn't think we're sitting in a realistic position.
Other schools often alert recruiting sites to recent or upcoming visits. I don't think ND ever does. It seems the only time we hear about guys Brey's visiting is when they're leaked by the recruits themselves.
I also think DJ's case differs from Anthony's because of location. DJ was local, so more people (local media, local sub alums, etc.) would spot Brey with DJ somewhere around here and post it. Plus DJ could attend more games to be seen by all.
If Cole were to choose ND, it would be a bigger upset than when five star Torin Francis chose ND after nobody gave the Irish a shot. If I'm recalling his recruitment correctly, neither Torin or his family gave anybody a hint as to where he'd end up.
I agree, and acknowledged your first point almost verbatim in my post. It's also true that Greg Anthony approached Brey to encourage ND to recruit Cole.
Nonetheless, I think it's fair to say that I'm far less sanguine about ND's chances with Anthony than you. I don't surprise easily, but I will be jaw-on-floor stunned if he picks ND.
...nor would I be surprised if he chose a more blue-blood program.
I'd probably peg our likelihood of landing Anthony at about 2%. I assume you'd place the odds a bit higher.
I'd put it closer to 15-20.
not sure if it was edited or something.
"Cole Anthony: The No. 4 player overall, Anthony has seen North Carolina, Oregon, Wake Forest, Georgetown and Notre Dame. Most figure this one to be coming down to the Heels and Ducks".
If Coby White returns to UNC, Anthony will go to Oregon. If he does not, Anthony will go to UNC.
For those who say UNC will not have much for Anthony to play along side if White and Little as presumed declare, Roy will bring in another impact newcomer besides Anthony to go along with Bacot and returning role players. IMO Manley, Black and Robinson will show big time improvement in 19-20.
he and Wendell Moore played together here locally at Cox Mill HS his senior season. Moore is an absolute stud going to Duke next year.
As I said in a previous post, a true 5-star top 5-10 one-and-done who is used to having the ball in his hands at all times is tough to fit into a team of regular 3 and 4-star type kids who have been busting their tails. You can get a lot of jealousy amongst existing players. See the situation with Trae Young, Sexton, Ben Simmons and even some of that this year with Romeo Langford. Those situations rarely end up being uber successful. It's much easier when there's multiple 5-star and even really high 4-star kids already there.
Could put up scoring numbers like David Noel and Reyshawn Terry did in 05-06, which was 13 and 14 ppg.
That was one of Roy Williams best coaching job at 23-8 (after losing a ton of talent) putting a solid cast around Psycho T in his frosh season.
Great frame but needs a lot of work with development. He went to Montverde for a year (RJ Barrett's team) and was a bench guy so transferred back home. I'm not that high on him but we'll see. UNC is losing a ton so he'll need to step up though
He went to Concord High where his mom was principal and left for Montverde. Came back home after his family moved closer to Huntersville into Cox Mill district which is a terrific school system.
He'll be really good in time and he's a great kid from a nice family.
North Carolina won't have much to play with in terms of talent.
And with roster comparisons. I get that because its easy to do. ND in theory returns everyone next season where as unc and Oregon do not, but that does not mean the roster will be more talented (without including Anthony).
this year to comment. What do you think?
No chance ND has a comparable roster to NC next year.
I read Heels and ND as well. And that made zero sense from everything we've heard.
as far as I can see.
Just list ND as one of his final 5
I guess they edited it. The original article said "Heels and Irish."
Where ND was listed as a secondary favorite to unc, because he had just visited ND and had not been yet to Oregon.
Then I saw this article and got my hopes up again.
G - Hubb
G - Anthony
G - Gibbs
F - Mooney
C - Durham
I'm sure Brey would try and put Pflueger out there but he really shouldn't start if Anthony comes on board.
If Harvey could return to form, it would also be difficult not to start him.
I'd prefer to surround Anthony with better shooters, and then have Hubb lead the second unit as a high-energy ball distributor type. So my first unit would look like this:
G - Anthony (Role: Primary Perimeter Scorer & Ball Handler)
G - Gibbs (Role: Secondary Scorer & Ball Handler)
G - Pflueger (Role: Defensive Specialist)
F - Mooney (Role: Primary Paint Scorer & Rebounder)
C - Durham (Role: Rim Protection/Rebounder)
When we want to go with a more offensive attack, I'd load up with shooters:
G - Anthony
G - Gibbs
G - Goodwin
F - Mooney
F - Lasz
If we need more defense, I'd go with this group:
G - Anthony
G - Hubb
G - Pfluger
F - Mooney
F - Durham
I realize I haven't accounted for Harvey yet, but I'm not sure how he'd fit in with the rest of the crew. I also haven't accounted for Carmody, mainly because I'm not exactly sure what his full game looks like.
Man, it would be something to land Anthony!