What about the Baylor model
by NDTommie (2021-04-06 12:42:58)

In reply to: The Gonzaga Model  posted by ColdwaterIrish


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High major conference with a blue blood (KU)
Zero McDonald’s All-Americans (I believe I heard 2nd team to win it all without any)

Just athletic as hell, grind on defense, guards that can get their own shot. That team just blew out the “generational” Gonzaga team.

What does Baylor have that ND does not?


Gonzaga is run by Catholics (like ND) and Baylor is Baptist
by Domerduck  (2021-04-07 14:29:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Of course the Zags are run by Jesuits vs our Holy Cross order running Notre Dame. Still closer than Baptist General Convention of Texas.


Much easier admissions for one.
by BIG MAC  (2021-04-06 19:00:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Gonzaga really is a better comparison. One thing about Gonzaga though is that historically they have recruited a good number of foreign players.


No doubt, more so pointing out recruiting model
by NDTommie  (2021-04-07 08:58:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I think there’s a misconception around the level of recruiting that needs to be done to achieve final four/national championship success in college basketball.

Baylor has developed a model of bringing in elite athletes and relying on their coaching to develop them as basketball players. Bring in kids that can defend and rebound at a high major level on day 1. Brey would tell you they have “men.”

It seems like Brey focuses (recently) on finding guys that fit the system in recruiting. He values IQ, passing, shooting. You’ll hear “he’s going to remind fans a lot of xyz.” And that model currently has us with one of the oldest teams in the ACC getting overwhelmed athletically each year. Why can’t we find “men” and develop them into well-rounded players. Think about the progress DJ, Grant, PC, Auguste made as system players. All flashed as athletes early, developed in the system over time.


There's a reason Scott Drew has been in trouble
by chicos bail bonds  (2021-04-06 18:52:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

with the NCAA before.


NCAA investigated but nothing major came of it
by SBJimbo  (2021-04-06 20:44:38)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The last few paragraphs are about the allegations.

I've never believed he was as dirty as many made him out to be.


Getting hit with Failure to Monitor
by CrazyMary  (2021-04-07 14:48:16)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

your program is pretty serious charge and has definitely kept him from even being considered for a couple higher-profile jobs he was apparently interested in to some degree. He screwed up, plain-as-day.

Morefield was a long-time assistant of the Drew family at Valpo and Baylor, he's the guy who sent the deplorable texts threatening deportation of a HS junior if he didn't commit to Baylor. It took a nine-month investigation for Morefield to be forced to resign that could have taken about 72-hours. This behavior went on for years within that program. Morefield had already been suspended previously for illegal text messages. Part of that suspension was zero off-campus recruiting at all. As in all of this way before the HS junior I referenced above. Morefield proceeded to recruit off-campus anyway despite being suspended from such activities. That didn't take much investigating, it was well-known and proven in 5-minutes. He then also sent the deplorable texts to Huss and the HS junior. Either Drew knew Morefield was recruiting off-campus despite being suspended from such activities and was complicit or he didn't know what in the world was going on within his program. If that's the case, that's pretty scary.

Drew got 'Failure to Monitor' from the NCAA due to lack of oversight of two assistant coaches behavior and for having illegal scouts at camps and clinics the vast majority of which was clear back in 2007 and 2008. Perea/Morefield stuff was when Perea went to LaLumiere in 2010 and then graduated in 2012.

The party line was to get Morefield to take the fall. Hard for me to solely blame Morefield when the NCAA said this went back to two assistant coaches all the way back to 2007? Then we still need to square up illegal scouts at camps and clinics?

Drew is a very good coach nobody really disagrees on that but laying this solely at the feet of Morefield as some have done is BS. He took the fall but hard to believe he was responsible for bringing in illegal scouts to camps/clinics and for the oversight of the other assistant coaches.

Friendly national media write puff stories because some coaches will give additional access/help with breaking news etc is ridiculous but part of the business.


Building a winner is the "easy" part.
by Cheg80  (2021-04-06 12:51:15)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Sustaining it year after year is tough.

Let's see if Baylor can keep it going. A decade ago, Butler got to the title game in back to back years, but they haven't done a whole lot since.


Baylor has been pretty good for about 10 years
by irishaddict  (2021-04-06 15:22:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Two elite 8s and two Sweet 16s, and last year they were one of the favorites to win the title before the season was canceled.


Brad Stevens left in 2013.
by G.K.Chesterton  (2021-04-06 14:25:25)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It's hard to sustain success from one coach to another.