The Irish might be pretty good by February 1st
by Kayo (2023-06-01 17:44:56)
Edited on 2023-06-01 18:58:25

In reply to: Tae Davis is Irish, per himself. (link)  posted by mocopdx


Not great, and it might take a little time for the parts to fit together. Most of the guys coming into the program are three star recruits which is mostly what we've been getting all along. Nevertheless, there is enough talent to be middle of the ACC pack at least.

Given where the program was 5 or 6 weeks ago, the recruiting effort has been impressive. There was a real danger that the 2023-24 Irish would really suck. That possibility is off the board now.



Completely agree. The roster has better balance and likely
by Irishdog80  (2023-06-02 14:58:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

athleticism based upon the highlight videos...they never miss a shot and fly down the court! That said, most of the transfers fit the profile of solid contributors ready to take a big step up this year. The only gap seems to be in the small forward/big guard slot. If J.R. Konieczny proves to be a legit ACC level starter at point forward/big guard, this team could be interesting.

And, without question, the defense will be better than last year and likely a focus of the team building Shrewsberry will be doing. Defense will lead to offense and will take some time to gel as noted.


I certainly don't undervalue the importance of having 3 star
by tdiddy07  (2023-06-02 09:53:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

bodies in the lineup. The program was gutted of players. So despite ND being historically a very attractive place compared to the other programs each of these kids was deciding between, I, too, recognize that it took hard work to get the kids to believe that despite barely any roster, Shrewsberry will return ND to regularly playing competitive basketball. So I'm happy to have 3 stars from 5 of the 7 acquisitions thus far (counting Njie as a 4 star from high school).

But I also don't want to misrepresent that this is an upgrade over recent recruiting. From the 2018 class to the 2022 class, Brey brought in one 5 star, six 4 stars, and 9 three stars. Including transfers, it'd be one more 4 star and two 3 stars. By memory, that's a pretty typical ratio over Brey's tenure. Of course, if you exclude the 2018 class that just left, it's one 5 star, 2 4 stars, and 8 three stars, which certainly looks a lot worse and is better reflects the short-term state of the program before the new hire.

All that is to say, I'm glad that our turnaround time to be a competitive team looks a lot better than it did in February. And there's a good argument that the ability to generate the present recruiting results can turn into regularly bringing in four-star and occasional five-star talent once we start fielding tournament teams regularly again. But it still is a question mark whether Shrewberry's recruiting results will exceed Brey's general recruiting results. What I am more confident in is that we won't be whiffing on entire classes and that we will be recruiting behind classes to fill in the gaps when inevitable transfers happen.


My biggest beef with Brey was big man recruiting.
by Kayo  (2023-06-03 20:13:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Not so much that he didn't get any because we had some really good ones over the years. We even had a team that started four good players who listed at 6'8" or taller with Hansbrough at guard (Abromaitis, Martin, Scott, and Nash). We had Harangody, Kurz, Cooley, Auguste, Geben, and Mooney. There were plenty of of good bigs.

My problem was that Brey and his staff had several gaps when recruiting big men. Big man depth was a persistent issue, probably the #1 issue when it came to defense. Even the 2014 team that went 32-6 and damn near made the final four had to win games despite frequent double digit deficits on the boards.

I was willing to accept not getting top rated big men who had their eyes on the NBA and considered school a nuisance to that pursuit; but I believed that NF had to have at least three bigs every two classes to ensure that there were six in the program at all times. The underclassmen could develop while the upperclassmen logged the most playing time, and there would have been guys in the pipeline even if one or two of the three-star recruits didn't become major conference caliber players.

What I like best about Shrewsberry's roster is that it includes plenty of size. He added two 6'10" players and one 6'9" guy. Zona makes four guys who list at 6'9" or better. I'm willing to bet he will add at least two more in the next class.

It's about time that ND becomes the match-up problem for other teams instead of being the team with a size deficit.


The Brian Hamilton article hints at this as well
by garbageplate  (2023-06-02 09:28:35)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Shrewsberry discusses his approach to individual development, which may not manifest itself until the latter part of the season. I'm excited to see how these inexperienced players (i.e., the entire team) progress over the course of the season.


I'm usually not a fan of loading up on cupcakes during the
by 84david  (2023-06-02 08:17:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

non-conference part of the schedule, but this year I'm willing to make an exception. We're essentially an expansion team, made up of disparate parts of non-starters, transfers and incoming freshman that have never played together before. It may take a month or two for them to gel as a unit.


My concern is the lack of an experienced lead guard. Burton
by Jarman  (2023-06-01 21:45:34)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Probably needs some development before going head to head against experienced ACC guards. Of course he may be ready (I’ve never seen him play).


That's why I said "February 1st."
by Kayo  (2023-06-02 06:43:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Burton has to adjust to college level. Then he must make a second adjustment to conference level competition.

He will be in a situation that's a bit like Tory Jackson's freshman season. Jackson was playing about 18 minutes a game, sometimes subbing for Kyle McAlarney and sometimes playing with him. Then McAlarney got busted, and Jackson was the full time point guard on a talented team.

Jackson saved the season. He wasn't a star (8 PPG, 42% shooting, 1.8 A/TO), but he became steadier as the season progressed. The Irish ended with a 24-8/11-5 record.

That's what the Irish need from Markus Burton. Adapt and improve throughout the season.


I was also thinking of the comparison to Tory Jackson *
by Jarman  (2023-06-02 09:08:18)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Situation.