Attendance is down
by dwjm3 (2019-02-07 15:51:17)
Edited on 2019-02-07 15:53:22

In reply to: Here is my question  posted by HTownND


Attendance was below 70 million for the first time in 15 years last season. I don’t know if that is a one-off or a harbinger of things to come but I do think it is worth noting.


Attendance is down because of tanking.
by OITLinebacker  (2019-02-08 08:52:22)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Baseball seasons/games are built around hope. Cubs fans could tell you that for almost a Century as they filed in every season early, but tickets got easier and easier to come by as their chances wilted.

How many teams were totally out of any race (save for the race to the bottom) by the end of April? I would argue that last year most fans knew before Memorial Day that their team would have no chance what so ever on over half the teams in the league. How many fans knew going in to the season that it was going to be a long shot for their club to even make .500? I know there were a fair few who knew almost without a doubt that their team would lose over 85 games on the season before it started. Those fans aren't going to buy season tickets, they're not going to plan a trip to see their team play, they're not going to pay for overpriced tickets and concessions. They're going to let their owners know they don't like the direction their team is going by not showing up.

This offseason is just another example of the hubris of the owners. Nobody is willing to spend money to hire a big name free agent to get their fans excited and give them hope that they should show up at the park. They are simply looking at the numbers and feel that they can still turn a profit by having a lower payroll and spin a rebuilding year by trotting out a few young guys and "value" vets. That said, it's mostly boring baseball. The metrics don't seem to care as much about putting a ball in play so strikeouts are treated the same as a can of corn or a line out or a ground out. The problem is that without contact, without balls in play, it's boring. Toss in the use of the shift and the unwillingness to bunt or adjust as hitters and even the balls in play aren't that exciting. There are fewer chances for an error, a Texas League hist, a duck snort, a ground ball with eyes, or legging out an infield single. In other words boring.

If I am going to spend $100 or more to bring a couple of kids to a game, I at least want them to see some action. If it rolls to the 6th inning with a 3-0 score because one team hit a couple of solo shots and there are 4 hits, and all of 5 base runners in the game, the kids will long ago have gotten bored and moved on to other things because the game doesn't really even resemble the game they play on the weekends.

Ownership needs to do more in the stadium to make it fan friendly. If they aren't going to win they need to at least find a way to make fans show up. Have a great pitcher so people want to see him start, have a hitter that is amazing to watch, have some fast guys who are going to go crazy on the bases. Give the fans a reason to go to the games.

Trying to speed up pitchers and monkeying with the mechanics of the game isn't going to change that. The play on the field is still boring, speeding it up isn't going to help significantly.


Were your Royals tanked intentionally or just fall apart?
by sprack  (2019-02-08 12:34:04)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

That's a serious question because I don't know and am asking.

From World Series champs to absolutely awful in the blink of an eye.


The young ace pitcher was killed in a wreck
by OITLinebacker  (2019-02-10 21:23:15)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Then they went cheap on the bullpen, couldn’t sign a decent starter and essentially wasted a group of talented players in 16. They tried and failed to recapture the glory in one last try in17, and then just wouldn’t shell out the money for the free agents in ‘18. Hosler took an extra million per year to go to San Diego, I guess the better weather made up for the higher COL out there because it certainly wasn’t for being on that much better of a team. Cain went to Milwaukee followed by Moose and with that most of the core offense was gone.

The death of Ventura really ended the long term hopes of the Team because he had a chance to be that special top end starter that the team needed badly and will never sign as a free agent. Then they traded a fair part of the rest of the farm to try to squeeze one more playoff run but the back end of the pen fell off a cliff when they let Davis and Holland walk for a song.

They are a few years away as the next core is down winning it all in AA ball and probably won’t all matriculate up to AAA by the end of this season. Another good draft year might give them hope in 21.

This years team will steal a lot of bases, have a solidif not top 5 defense and likely have a terrible if not horrific on base %, runs scored, blown saves, and starters ERA. If some of ythe old vets and free agents play up to or above career years and some of the younger players have breakout years they could hang around in a very bad division before likely selling hard at the trade deadline in the hopes of geetting enough long term talent to fill the farm gaps enough to make another run. They could be the worst team in baseball next season but I figure they’ll finish 3rd in the Central with just enough hope to think that maybe next year isn’t so far away.


Blaming the attendance drop on the length of games is
by sprack  (2019-02-07 18:34:52)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 687.

The weather last spring was absolutely terrible in the northeast and midwest. And a one year drop does not create a trend.

No one is stopping anyone from leaving in the 7th inning. Dodger fans have been doing that since the team moved west in 1958.

Linked is a rational analysis from Forbes. Note that game length isn't mentioned.