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lots of people really have by jt
and I find it somewhat insulting when the homers say things like "all of these issues would be solved with just winning more football games."
I would be very disappointed with a program that has had the academic and discipline issues that this program has had regardless of record; it's just an added bonus that we've pretty much been mediocre these past few decades.
I guess you would be fine with such a program as long as it won at a higher clip. We're just different that way I guess.