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I see your point, but if you give him the "wreck" by irishrock

you've got to give him part of 2012. Weis was just a bad HC. But I also think he changed the narrative on ND and where she was going the last two years of Willingham. The program was atrocious and wasn't coming back under that guy.

I attended the '05 SC game and thought it was a phenomenal gameplan. And was probably the downfall of Weis. He thought he could gameplan people to death instead of working the fundamentals like Carroll and his coaches did.