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Not sure why you're ignoring BVB. by NDMike2001

And hell Mainz for that matter.

Pep is an all time great manager. But the next club that he manages that wasn’t the dominant 1a/1b giant club before he got there will be his first. I think plenty reasonable folks will respect Klopp more for what he’s done. But it’s not a pissing match. They’re both great coaches.

I honestly can’t imagine very many, if any, people agreeing with your opinion that Klopp is not an all time great manager.