Monday, November 20, 2006

Rematch? Let's do it

When it comes to the BCS, I'm not a big fan of the concept of The Rematch.

And don't interpret that as a push to get ND involved -- they'd have to beat SC by at least two TD's to convince me playing in the NC game is a good idea.

I just don't like the concept that Michigan can waltz into the NC game after losing to tOSU without doing something to counterbalance the loss.

Yes, they beat ND and Wisconsin. That was two months ago. Between then and now, they scraped by Penn State, Northwestern, and Ball State. Not that the Buckeyes didn't have any unimpressive outings, because they did, but we can play that game until we're (maize and) blue in the face.

Usually when you see rematches in other sports, there's been some time to digest and interpret the results, and the loser usually has to accomplish something to get the second bite at the apple. For example, in basketball, the NCAA tries to keep conference members in separate brackets until the Elite 8, and does their best to avoid in-season rematches in the first round (or two, if they can help it). The loser doesn't just step back up to the plate for a do-over.

That's probably how it will be, and one has to reconcile oneself to that fact. There will always be illogic when it comes to resolution of the MNC issues, particularly because it's the discussions those bits of illogic generate that the NCAA wants most of all.

But like George Carlin, I've got a lot of good ideas (and the trouble is, most of them suck). And I've got one here.

If Ohio State wins the rematch, fine. No possible gainsay of them being deserving of a championship.

But if Michigan wins, now you've got a tie. Each team won one game. Logic screams for the rubber match.

I say, give it to them.

An unofficial game, unsanctioned by the NCAA, meaningful only to the people who wish it to be so.

Play it in the dead week right before the Super Bowl.

Try to find a neutral venue that will still draw a crowd. Not sure if Toledo has a big enough stadium to do it. Maybe they could flip a coin between Ford Field and Browns Stadium. The latter might be more fair, as it's more than an hour away from each campus, and it seats 8,000 more people.

(Heck, play it in Notre Dame Stadium. That way when the game is done, we can lock the doors and tear gas the lot of them. But I digress.)

Split the tickets 50-50 between the schools. Televise it on pay-per-view. Have the talking heads at the Worldwide Leader come up with a pithy slogan (given that's all they're good for these days) -- "Border War to Settle the Score", "The Putz vs. the Nuts", "Bo and Woody: The Final Seance", whatever.

All proceeds from all sources -- ticket sales, viewing charges, concessions, etc. -- go directly to charities designated by the schools. Given 73k seats, a couple hundred thousand PPV's sold, and all those Midwestern Protestants eating a lot of cheese fries, that's a pretty healthy payday for some lucky not-for-profit.

There's no loser here. The two fanbases get to yap at each other for a few more weeks, which makes fewer weeks they're bothering the rest of us. The players get one more shot at their rival without missing classes (I know, pretend it matters). Sears Homestores will be able to sell a whole new round of couches. And all in the name of charity.

Never happen -- makes too much sense.



Anonymous Anonymous said...

Given such a game would be in January, I think Indianapolis would make the most sense. But it's a damned shame that USC lost to Oregon St.

11/20/2006 12:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sure, give Michigan the rematch! But right after they give Ball State one.

11/20/2006 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why not just let Michigan and Ohio State face each other 12 times next year? If Michigan is allowed to play in the NC game then it's a disservice to all of the other one loss teams who have battled so hard this year.

11/20/2006 03:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I totally agree with what anonymous said...or is that now redundant...wait , I did it again...

11/20/2006 06:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is there a statute of limitations on losses? If Notre Dame can't play in the NC game because they lost to Michigan in early September, is Michigan out because they lost to Notre Dame last year? If Michigan doesn't have to do anything to prove its worthiness after losing so recently, should we cancel the rest of the season? If USC beating Notre Dame gets them into the title game with one loss, isn't it logical that a one loss ND team should deserve serious consideration? Is consistency something that is even worth hoping for?

11/20/2006 07:08:00 PM  
Blogger Hull Khogan said...

USC is more talented and deep than ND and will probably beat us. If that happens, USC should play tOSU for the championship. Keep in mind, USC has the toughest schedule of all the top 5 teams. Their one loss is the least offensive in my opinion.

If ND beats USC. So what if we lost to Michigan like 3 months ago. Yes the game was a blow out, but if we were to play Michigan again I'm pretty sure we wouldn't turn the ball over 5 times. Manningham might get some touchdowns but so would Shark and McKnight.

Rematches are stupidly unfair.

That said, clearly if either UF or Arkansas wins out, they deserve a shot.

11/20/2006 07:43:00 PM  
Anonymous irish fan 420 said...

seeing how ohio state has been granted the NC anyway don't even invite them to the bowls. make it a mandatory one loss bcs and allow ohio state to enjoy their championship at home on the couch.

11/20/2006 10:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No way on a rematch.

Sports are the one place in American life where we don't send lawyers running to the courthouse to sue for a recount. You have a winner and a loser. They shake hands and acknowledge a hard fought game, then they go on to the next battle. Michigan lost, which is too bad for them (and too bad for us), but the game is played in four quarters, not eight eighths.

Can you imagine all of the whining and complaining if Michigan won the rematch by one point?

11/20/2006 10:50:00 PM  
Blogger Diamond Dave said...

Once again the need to scrap the BCS is shown. We need an 8 team playoff!!

11/21/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


11/21/2006 10:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Michigan lost to Ohio State! I don't care if it was 1 point or a hundred points. Michigan lost!

Generally when a team loses a game, the team's ranking falls 5 to 10 places in the polls. Not UM! Why? They didn't drop at all. They went from #2 to #2.

Last years, the UM team was still listed in the top 25 even though it had 5 losses. This is ridiculous. This slavish treatment of UM is suspicious and apropos to our crummy National Champ selection process.

Other teams deserve a crack at the national title. UM had its chance.

We should be advocating a true playoff system similar to the playoff systems for other divisions in NCAA football. Let's pick a Champ on the playing field, not in cigar smoke-filled backrooms.

And don't tell me that the college presidents don't want a playoff system for Division I-A. Look at the elaborate playoff systems they have for other NCAA football divisions. The college presidents don't object to those playoffs and the students are away from their studies just as long.

The bowl committee members are the people preventing a playoff system for Division I-A. They have great money, power and prestige now and don't want to give that up.

Los Angeles

11/21/2006 10:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember 1993 ND beats Flordia St loses to BC. Final Rank Flordia St #1 ND #2.

11/21/2006 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Given the anti-ND bias, it is hard to see ND in the NC game even if we beat USC, if Florida wins out. If ND beats USC, how about a rematch of Michigan-ND in the Rose Bowl or other New Years game. Winner meets tOSU in the NC game one week later.

11/21/2006 12:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like you said, the loser has to do something to get back to a rematch. Schedule Notre Dame v. Michigan and then give the winner of that loser's bracket the rematch against OSU.

Does the loser's bracket champ then have to beat OSU twice?

11/21/2006 12:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Charity? tOSU fans would have to give to charity? They may not attend just because of that.

Unless it was the 'burnt couch recovery union' or some such group.

11/21/2006 01:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Florida doesn't deserve to be in the NC they barely won to Carolina but we beat out the academies who are just as bad as Carolina and we drop...ND gets destroyed by the bcs again and again.The Flordia vs Arkansas isn't good for us because if arkansas wins they will just put them over us in the 4 spot..If we beat USC by a decent amount we deserve to be in the NC..OHIO STATE vs ND last year was a lot more exciting than michigan vs ohio state this ND has a better chance this year against ohio state.

11/21/2006 04:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rematch is a lose-lose situation. the media is too idiotic to realize it. but no one wins with this rematch.

1. OSU wins---AGAIN. thus, this is a wasted NC. they beat a team that had already proven to be better than. Plus, in this scenario OSU has to beat MICH twice in order to win the NC...

2. MICH, on the other hand only needs to beat OSU once in order to be crowned. anyone else see the sense in this? tell me how that is fair? Plus, MICH had it's shot and lost. deal with it.

Fact of the matter... it's someone else's chance to take a crack at it. Does ND deserve a shot? I say with a win over USC, they have as much say as anyone else. FLA wins out, why shouldn't they get a shot? ARK? USC? As of today there are still 4 teams that have a legit case. And don't give me this crap about ND getting beat by MICH. every team has a blemish. and if ND and MICH were to square off today- totally different game from a better team.

11/21/2006 05:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quick question: Perhaps I'm an idiot, but what the heck is the "M" in "MNC"? I have gone through every word in my mind that begins with M and non of them make sense.

11/21/2006 06:50:00 PM  
Anonymous js said...

This is all assuming that the NC would in fact be a "rematch". UM did lose in Columbus by 3; they would be playing in Arizona, a neutral site, not exactly the same thing. I completely agree UM does not deserve to play in the NC: not because of any "rematch" reluctancy, but because it didn't win the Big Ten.

The problem is, the BCS isn't about avoiding rematches, being consistent about all the transitive property arguments, or even about fairness. It's about #1 v. #2. I haven't watched enough games to know if UM is the 2nd best team in the country, but is there any other team that could hang within 3 points of OSU in Columbus? If we don't like the outcome, change the BCS. But it's the stupid system we have for this year, so if UM is #2, what's the point of saying the NC is #1 v. #2 if we're not willing to follow it?

11/21/2006 07:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe M = 'MYTHICAL' ... if it doesn't, it should.

11/21/2006 07:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ND was in that possible rematch situation twice. Once when Miami had one loss and beat us. Miami gets NC as they say head to head game counts.
Years later ND beats FSU and each have one loss. FSU gets NC that time head to head game does not count. Rematch was never a question.

11/21/2006 08:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does a legal defense fund for Ohio State players count as a qualifying charitable organization?

How about a medical fund to drain LLLoyd's man boobs?

Just some suggestions.

11/22/2006 04:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the comment about Ohio St having to beat Michigan twice. Why should Michigan be able to have a second chance at Ohio St when the reverse would not have happened had Ohio St lost to Michigan. They are one and one against each other and Michigan is the better team because they won on a neutral field? ND beats USC in California, LSU beats Arkansas and Arkansas beats Florida. Let ND and Michigan play to see who gets to play Ohio St or let undefeated Boise St have a shot at OSU. Another thing, Quinn has a monster game against USC, but Troy Smith is the best player in the country? The hatered for ND is really manifesting itself this year.

11/22/2006 04:57:00 AM  
Anonymous frommy said...

You know, at the end of the day, I'm just damn glad we're being mentioned in the conversations about the National Championship. Remember when we had sunk to the "Petsmart Eukanuba Anybowl" level of a few years ago?

Charlie is leading us back to where we belong at the top, the fact that we're this close in 2 years is awesome!

11/22/2006 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous connor said...

While I agree that ND probably isn't one of the two BEST teams in the NCAA, I have a hard time with the arguments that keep them out if they beat USC this weekend.

The biggest argument people come up with is that UM beat them head to head. But wait, you say, tOSU beat UM head to head? then comes the well...umm...UM only lost by, UM scored late with a questionable penalty and tOSU in prevent D, otherwise greater difference...also, UM lost to tOSU this season, has Notre Dame? no...finally, go back over the years, the tradition in the polls is that if you lose, you drop in the polls, this has been true for eons with VERY FEW exceptions...this year being one of them

We can even get UF in there or SC if they win...all 3 have only one loss and neither UF or USC has lost to tOSU this year!

11/22/2006 11:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ND should go to the NC if they beat USC because of their 99% graduation rate. Remember this is school, grades should count.

11/22/2006 11:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There should ne mo rematch. Period.

I wold fancy a 28 team playoff.

Top 4 get 1st round buys. Single elimination. That would make money, schools would like it.

11/23/2006 12:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need a 16 team play off system. To me these are all the teams that are worth playing for the NC. If they take the top 8 bowls and use them for this play off the bowl systems should be happy due to the high revenews they would pull from this. If they start this play off system after Thanksgiving They would be done with all the games by the same time they are now even with a 12 game systen if they would just start a week earlier. The top 16 team also should be decided by the BCS by this system there is no arguing on who makes it. With the other bowls that are left let them choose their teams like they always have before and play those bowls on Jan. 1st.. This system would work but the presidents of colleges, conffrences, and bowls are just too stuborn and just want to keep arguing about everything, and we will never find a way to find a true NC.

11/24/2006 01:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

there is no rule that if you lose you have to drop. if you are the second best team in the country even after you lose, then you should be 2. conceivably, you could play a higher ranked team, lose in a great game, and move up in the polls.

everyone forgets that ND didn't drop when we lost to SC last year. So it happens. UM lost but didn't show themselves to be worse than florida or sc. so they stay.

11/24/2006 11:17:00 PM  

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