How would you distinguish that from tax cuts?
by SteveM (2024-02-22 15:19:47)

In reply to: It's also been called vote-buying by some.  posted by G.K.Chesterton

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If you want the product - infrastructure, federal law enforcement, national security, etc. - you have to pay for it.

It's a fair question to ask whether Trump tax cuts or
by G.K.Chesterton  (2024-02-22 23:12:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Obama's healthcare plan were "vote-buying" and therefore this is no different. I never looked at either of those agendas like that for a number of reasons.

In this area, not only did the Supreme Court already rule that this was illegal, but this is a very targeted group of individuals influenced by a *very* sympathetic set of institutions (college professors are lean very heavily to the Democratic side). This pliant group is also very targeted by the "Get out the Vote" campaigns which ostensibly are non-political but in reality, are aimed at target-rich groups who will typically vote to one side.

The rule of law is one of the pillars of this country and this administration simply continues to thumb its nose at it in this area because it doesn't care if SCOTUS rules against it *after* the 2024 election.




What's the product here? Votes? *
by jt  (2024-02-22 16:07:49)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Services received by the government
by SteveM  (2024-02-22 16:53:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Some argue that "taxes are different" because it is really their money. However, if you want the product - services - from the government, you have to pay for it.
what sort of services?
by jt  (2024-02-22 17:10:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

I'm honestly missing what you're trying to say.

The government has to forgive these loans in order for the government to get services? From whom?
See my first reply *
by SteveM  (2024-02-24 09:33:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

we're not on the same page
by jt  (2024-02-24 14:26:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

but that's okay.