its kind of ironic, IMO
by DBCooper (2024-02-27 10:34:12)
Edited on 2024-02-27 10:36:01

In reply to: Run for a second term.  posted by EricCartman

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He was needed to run in 2020 to beat Trump and I think he was the only leading candidate that would have done that. I also always wondered if he didnt really want to run in 20 but felt compelled to get Trump out of the White House (in other words if it was a moderate Republican he probably never would have run). I think most at the time assumed he would be a one term President on his terms.

Now, Biden being stubborn and running again, even when there are plenty of Dem strategists publicly suggesting he should move on, very well could lead to Trump winning again. I dont know if there is an obvious Dem candidate who would easily beat Trump, but I sure wish some other candidates were given the chance. But for those of us who hate Trump, Biden was the man we needed in 2020 to beat the president, now he is the man we need to go away to again defeat Trump.

As Harvey Dent said in Dark Knight, "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." I think if he announced a year ago that he was not going to run again, most anti Trump voters would view him overall in a positive light. Now, who knows.

But i still dont believe Biden vs Trump will be the ticket this November. But, its not looking good.

What states will Trump flip?
by wcnitz  (2024-02-27 12:46:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

I see the 'Biden is risking another Trump presidency' thrown around sometimes, but what states will Trump move back to his ledger?

I would guess Wisconsin, Georgia, and Arizona, at least.
by ndroman21  (2024-02-27 14:00:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Perhaps Pennsylvania and Michigan as well.

The first 3 would put the election in the hands of the house, where Trump would win.
I'd take a bet right now
by wcnitz  (2024-03-01 09:06:16)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

That Trump will flip no more than one of those.
Michigan? *
by ufl  (2024-02-27 13:00:31)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

I dont know how it isnt the race.
by wpkirish  (2024-02-27 12:14:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Haley is not going to win the nomination and basically has admitted she is hanging around in case something happens. Trump is not dropping out in fact he needs the nomination and the Presidency to solve his other problems.If he does drop out it will be after he has enough delegates and the nominee certainly wont be Haley.

Biden is not dropping out and quite frankly if he did so I think it would insure a Trump victory. Biden won in 2020 based on a number of groups coming together. DUmping Biden to make Republican non Trump voters happy will anger other parts of the winnng coalition.

As I said to others as long as people in swing states see equal dangers from Tump and Biden there isnt likely anything we can do.