Florida to have abortion on the ballot in November
by vermin05 (2024-04-01 17:35:17)

The FL Supreme Court approved the 6 week abortion ban going into effect in 30 days but also approved a constitutional amendment making the ballot to make abortion rights part of the constitution. Should provide a boost the democrat’s chances there.




I dont know the makeup of the Florida State Districts well
by wpkirish  (2024-04-02 10:53:20)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

While it might be unlikely to swing the election to Biden is there any chance it might swing some state districts to Dems?


Also Rick Scott is running for reelection
by sprack  (2024-04-02 11:08:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

I have no idea who his opponent is, but Democrats have put up some terrible candidates statewide the past few cycles.


It looks like someone reasonable
by AquinasDomer  (2024-04-02 12:40:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

He's up narrowly, but he doesn't seem to be especially popular. Maybe the dems could actually pull an upset?


He was first elected in a squeaker
by sprack  (2024-04-02 12:49:46)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Granted, he defeated an incumbent, but he was the incumbent governor and won by just over 10,000 votes.

That any poll shows it that close at this juncture means it should be a dogfight.

I think people make a mistake thinking Florida is beet red. It's not. The problem is that voter turnout among Democrats there the last couple of cycles has been terrible, and lackluster candidates like Charlie Crist sure didn't help. If they show up, anything's possible.


It needs a super majority of 60%, but I suspect it will pass
by Tex Francisco  (2024-04-02 08:29:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

On the issue of abortion, both political parties are wildly out of touch with the American electorate. Even in a red state like Florida, there's relatively little support for making all abortions illegal under all circumstances. There's more support, but far from majority support, for making abortion legal under all circumstances. Most Americans fall into the safe, legal, and rare with restrictions camp.


I don’t believe Dems are proposing legal abortion under all
by wpkirish  (2024-04-02 09:55:20)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Circumstances. Biden has proposed restoring Roe v Wade on a national basis and the party has not released a 2024 platform but I doubt it will
Be legal abortion under all circumstances.


They will not state legal abortion under all circumstances
by Tex Francisco  (2024-04-03 08:23:04)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

as their official party platform, but there will be no expansion of abortion rights that they won't support and no restrictions that they won't oppose.


Since Roe was overturned which solid blue State has passed
by wpkirish  (2024-04-03 11:23:18)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

a bill that would allow abortion on demand until birth? I am not saying there is no Democrat anywhere that has ever expressed support for such an idea but I think it is pretty clear the party position is to reinstate Roe which was not on demand for any reason.


Michigan has come awfully close.
by manofdillon  (2024-04-03 15:22:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Proposal 3 allows abortion at any point in time if a provider finds it's medically indicated to protect the "mental health" of the pregnant individual. The thought of having a kid stressing you out? You can probably find a doctor to tell you abortion is medically indicated.

Also, while Proposal 3 provides that the state can regulate abortion after fetal viability,


I guess you could read it as allowing it for any
by wpkirish  (2024-04-04 09:57:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

frivolous reason. More likely the language was intended to recognize there can. be cases where there is a very real mental health issue that might not be included in the more traditional health of the mother phrase.

I will say that I think the idea a woman who is 8 months pregnant would decide to terminate her preganancy because it is stressing her out is insulting to women in general and women who have access to abortion services and carry to the 8th month actually do want to be pregnant.


You have a remarkable talent for discerning
by ufl  (2024-04-03 08:42:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

what other people really think.


I suspect Tex is right about this, if he means established
by sorin69  (2024-04-03 21:26:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

opinion in the party. Depressing but true. I'm a Democrat who does not share that absolutist view and would love to see a lot more diversity acknowledged, and anyone who says otherwise will be smacked upside the head.


Wouldn't restoring Roe v. Wade effectively make abortion
by krudler  (2024-04-02 14:32:34)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

legal under all circumstances? I'm not as close to this issue as I should be.


No Roe held that after the first trimester the State had the
by wpkirish  (2024-04-02 15:24:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

ability to impose regulations in the secind trimester and prohibit in the third trimester.

If the origina post meant for any reason in the first trimester I apologize but typically I see this to support the argument Dems want to permit it all the way until birth for any reason whatsoever.


Nope you interpreted my post correctly, thanks. *
by krudler  (2024-04-02 17:31:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply


Good. I don't care whether it benefits Democrats or
by krudler  (2024-04-01 19:21:23)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Republicans. Voters haven't had a say in this in 50 years, and as a proponent of federalism I am glad they are now getting a say. It seems to be a boon to Democrats so far in elections, and may continue to be, but I'm glad the issue is going back to the states.


Agree. Let it be debated
by ndsapper  (2024-04-01 21:13:03)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

It’s a dividing issue and should be decided at the ballot box. Moral absolutes don’t play well with voters.


As a referendum it needs 60% to pass
by AquinasDomer  (2024-04-02 08:22:40)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

I'm imagining the reactions if it gets 59% and goes down. Maybe the democratic party in the state would become functional again?


I think the state Democratic party in Florida has a better
by krudler  (2024-04-02 13:54:06)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

at becoming functional than the state Republican parties in Illinois and California.