Why do podiatrists have their own med schools?
by manofdillon (2019-09-10 10:19:35)

I'm working on something at work recently that has caused me to come into contact with the world of podiatry, and I learned for the first time that podiatrists go to separate podiatry schools, not the same medical schools that all other physicians go to. Why is this? Feet don't strike me as so special that doctors who treat them need their own schools and degrees when doctors who treat the brain, heart, lungs, joints, muscles all get an M.D. or D.O. and then specialize. Is there some historical reason for this? Are podiatry schools considered inferior or easier to get into than other med schools?


the first two years are exactly the same as med school
by jddomer  (2019-09-10 14:05:12)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The difference only comes into play during rotations. We send a few students to Des Moines University, which has DO, Podiatry, PT, OT, etc. The DO and Podiatry students are in the same classes the first two years, and then separate for some of the clinicals and rotations. I took a group of students for a visit, and met a really interesting podiatry student. She did her undergrad at Rice and got into diabetes research there, and decided that podiatry would be her best route to continue the work that she had started.


Other doctors don’t want to be around smelly feet *
by Frank Drebin  (2019-09-10 13:49:01)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Are you an anti-podite?
by NDWahoo  (2019-09-10 13:34:19)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

they DO have their own schools!


Its how they get their foot in the door *
by drmurray  (2019-09-10 12:52:49)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


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by LocalSubAlum  (2019-09-10 13:33:09)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


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by doolinbanjos  (2019-09-10 14:38:24)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


A guy goes to the Podiatrist with a strawberry on his foot
by Shifty  (2019-09-10 11:40:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The Podiatrist says, "I have a little cream for that."

What does a Podiatrist drive?

A TOE truck.


Historical, just like dentists
by vermin05  (2019-09-10 10:29:33)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

There is no reason other then tradition.


Would you compare it to dentistry, though?
by sprack  (2019-09-10 11:30:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It would seem to me that dentistry is definitely not separate just because of "tradition". Hell, there are numerous specialties just within dentistry.

With podiatry, sure, makes sense.


There are multiple specialties of Surgery and Internal Med
by vermin05  (2019-09-10 12:28:48)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I ask you what makes a dentist’s goals different from physicians, heck the first two years of medical school and dental school are so similar that up until recently there were schools were dental and medical students went to the same classes their first two years. The only difference is that dentists stop their general medical schooling after those two years and start specializing.

They do this for historical reasons only, if someone was setting up formal schooling for dentists today as a new field they would be MD/DO. After schooling dentistry would be another speciality for graduates to choose from and orthodontics/oral surgery etc would be fellowships. I don’t think having my dentists be a little more knowledgeable about medicine would be a bad thing seeing as they use anesthesia and prescribe narcotics.


I wouldn't want dentistry to become a specialty option
by TWO  (2019-09-10 12:58:47)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

for medical school graduates.

As far as the 1st 2 years, sure as dentists we take mostly the same basic science curriculum as medical students. But we also get right to work on the basics of learning to be a dentist, I don't think we'd be as well trained if we delayed starting our dental training till after 2 years of a medical school type curriculum. Dentists need the full 4 years of dental school with it's emphasis on dentistry.

The public needs dentists who are well trained in being dentists and part of that is recognizing and dealing with various medical conditions. But I don't see the need for dentists to be MD's first then get advanced training in dentistry. Waste of time/money.


I agree with you.
by saintapollonia  (2019-09-10 15:51:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Also noting that in that first two years are courses in things like dental anatomy beyond the basic science curriculum. Plus labs. I studied sometimes with a friend in Med School while in first year. Both studying basic science then the friend would take off to retire for the evening...and I'd go to lab and work on that tedious crap for another 2-3 hours. Unless your parents were dentists, and even then not really, nobody inherently has the skill to wax up a lower second premolar, right out of the gate.

My residency was hospital based versus school based, so I do feel very strong with my understanding of total body health beyond the oral complex.

To note further down the thread, I think another difference in the analogy of podiatry and dentistry is that at least 95% of dentists are completing some sort of surgery on a routine daily schedule. I don't really know what percent of podiatrists incorporate surgery into their practice. I think dulac89 has a quality post below. I have no disrespect to the profession of podiatry, just noting some differences with the analogy linking it dentistry and medicine.


I have been through both medical and dental schools
by bengalbout  (2019-09-10 13:12:09)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The last 2 years of medical school have minimal application in a general dental practice. For an OMFS it has a lot of relevance. And for Dentists that want to treat sicker patients there are programs available to get additional training


Gotcha, thanks *
by sprack  (2019-09-10 12:49:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


You anti-dentite bastard
by Father Nieuwland  (2019-09-10 11:45:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

"I had to drive my mother to the chiropodist."


Old Groucho Marx line -
by sprack  (2019-09-10 11:47:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

"Like the Irish chiropodist once said, 'Your fate is in my hands'."


Podiatry is very specialized
by dulac89  (2019-09-10 10:28:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

A podiatrist is trained in medical and surgical management of the feet and lower leg.

An orthopedic foot and ankle specialist (an MD/DO) was trained as a general MD then as a general orthopedist, with a fellowship in foot and ankle. Certainly a much more comprehensive training.

Most orthopedic foot and ankle doctors have some ability to practice general orthopedics. As an example, our foot and ankle specialist takes general ortho call, and can manage many other routine/simple orthopedic problems.

Podiatry school is easier to get into. Some students go into podiatry because they couldn't get into med school. Some know right away what they want to do, and rather than spend 4 years of med school, 5 years of residency, and 1-2 years of fellowship, go straight to podiatry school cutting out years of training.

I have no problem referring patients with foot problems to podiatrists. For complicated foot and ankle surgical issues, as a generality, an orthopedic foot and ankle surgeon is going to be a better option, but there are certainly outstanding podiatrists out there too that I would completely trust with my own foot and ankle. I guess the best way to describe it is at the top levels, podiatry and ortho foot/ankle are equivalent for foot/ankle problems, but the quality floor is lower with podiatrists.


For a foot in mouth condition, who would be best to see?
by SWPaDem  (2019-09-10 11:46:15)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Not sure if this belongs on the Political Board or not, although it would seem to be best to start with this thread here.


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by inigomontoya  (2019-09-10 12:33:02)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


For a foot in the ass, I suggest the ER.
by Jurassic  (2019-09-10 11:50:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

That's where everyone else goes when they stick something up their ass and it gets stuck.


Why, a vegetarian!
by sprack  (2019-09-10 11:49:26)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I'll see your bad pun and raise you an even worse one.